linux-kernel - Re: Kernel Concurrency Sanitizer (KCSAN)

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Date:   Thu, 3 Oct 2019 21:39:28 +0200
From:   Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@...ntu.com>
To:     Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@...gle.com>
Cc:     Marco Elver <elver@...gle.com>,
        Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>,
        kasan-dev <kasan-dev@...glegroups.com>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@...gle.com>,
        Alexander Potapenko <glider@...gle.com>,
        "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.ibm.com>,
        Paul Turner <pjt@...gle.com>, Daniel Axtens <dja@...ens.net>,
        Anatol Pomazau <anatol@...gle.com>,
        Will Deacon <willdeacon@...gle.com>,
        Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@...il.com>,
        Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>,
        LKMM Maintainers -- Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@...il.com>,
        Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@...il.com>,
        Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>,
        Daniel Lustig <dlustig@...dia.com>,
        Jade Alglave <j.alglave@....ac.uk>,
        Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@...ia.fr>
Subject: Re: Kernel Concurrency Sanitizer (KCSAN)

On Thu, Oct 03, 2019 at 06:00:38PM +0200, Dmitry Vyukov wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:13 PM Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@...gle.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 9:52 PM Marco Elver <elver@...gle.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Joel,
> > >
> > > On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 23:19, Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 04:18:57PM +0200, Marco Elver wrote:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > We would like to share a new data-race detector for the Linux kernel:
> > > > > Kernel Concurrency Sanitizer (KCSAN) --
> > > > > https://github.com/google/ktsan/wiki/KCSAN  (Details:
> > > > > https://github.com/google/ktsan/blob/kcsan/Documentation/dev-tools/kcsan.rst)
> > > > >
> > > > > To those of you who we mentioned at LPC that we're working on a
> > > > > watchpoint-based KTSAN inspired by DataCollider [1], this is it (we
> > > > > renamed it to KCSAN to avoid confusion with KTSAN).
> > > > > [1] http://usenix.org/legacy/events/osdi10/tech/full_papers/Erickson.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > > In the coming weeks we're planning to:
> > > > > * Set up a syzkaller instance.
> > > > > * Share the dashboard so that you can see the races that are found.
> > > > > * Attempt to send fixes for some races upstream (if you find that the
> > > > > kcsan-with-fixes branch contains an important fix, please feel free to
> > > > > point it out and we'll prioritize that).
> > > > >
> > > > > There are a few open questions:
> > > > > * The big one: most of the reported races are due to unmarked
> > > > > accesses; prioritization or pruning of races to focus initial efforts
> > > > > to fix races might be required. Comments on how best to proceed are
> > > > > welcome. We're aware that these are issues that have recently received
> > > > > attention in the context of the LKMM
> > > > > (https://lwn.net/Articles/793253/).
> > > > > * How/when to upstream KCSAN?
> > > >
> > > > Looks exciting. I think based on our discussion at LPC, you mentioned
> > > > one way of pruning is if the compiler generated different code with _ONCE
> > > > annotations than what would have otherwise been generated. Is that still on
> > > > the table, for the purposing of pruning the reports?
> > >
> > > This might be interesting at first, but it's not entirely clear how
> > > feasible it is. It's also dangerous, because the real issue would be
> > > ignored. It may be that one compiler version on a particular
> > > architecture generates the same code, but any change in compiler or
> > > architecture and this would no longer be true. Let me know if you have
> > > any more ideas.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > -- Marco
> > >
> > > > Also appreciate a CC on future patches as well.
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > >
> > > >  - Joel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Feel free to test and send feedback.
> >
> > FYI https://twitter.com/grsecurity/status/1179736828880048128 :)
> 
> +Christian opts in for _all_ reports for
> kernel/{fork,exit,pid,signal}.c and friends.
> Just wanted it to be written down for future reference :)

Yes, please! :)
Christian