linux-kernel - Re: Kernel Concurrency Sanitizer (KCSAN)

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <0715d98b-12e9-fd81-31d1-67bcb752b0a1@gmail.com>
Date:   Fri, 4 Oct 2019 17:58:33 -0700
From:   Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>
To:     Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>, Marco Elver <elver@...gle.com>
Cc:     kasan-dev <kasan-dev@...glegroups.com>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@...gle.com>,
        Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@...gle.com>,
        Alexander Potapenko <glider@...gle.com>, paulmck@...ux.ibm.com,
        Paul Turner <pjt@...gle.com>, Daniel Axtens <dja@...ens.net>,
        Anatol Pomazau <anatol@...gle.com>,
        Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@...il.com>,
        stern@...land.harvard.edu, akiyks@...il.com, npiggin@...il.com,
        boqun.feng@...il.com, dlustig@...dia.com, j.alglave@....ac.uk,
        luc.maranget@...ia.fr
Subject: Re: Kernel Concurrency Sanitizer (KCSAN)



On 9/20/19 8:54 AM, Will Deacon wrote:

> 
> This one is tricky. What I think we need to avoid is an onslaught of
> patches adding READ_ONCE/WRITE_ONCE without a concrete analysis of the
> code being modified. My worry is that Joe Developer is eager to get their
> first patch into the kernel, so runs this tool and starts spamming
> maintainers with these things to the point that they start ignoring KCSAN
> reports altogether because of the time they take up.
> 
> I suppose one thing we could do is to require each new READ_ONCE/WRITE_ONCE
> to have a comment describing the racy access, a bit like we do for memory
> barriers. Another possibility would be to use atomic_t more widely if
> there is genuine concurrency involved.
> 

About READ_ONCE() and WRITE_ONCE(), we will probably need

ADD_ONCE(var, value)  for arches that can implement the RMW in a single instruction.

WRITE_ONCE(var, var + value) does not look pretty, and increases register pressure.

I had a look at first KCSAN reports, and I can tell that tcp_poll() being lockless
means we need to add hundreds of READ_ONCE(), WRITE_ONCE() and ADD_ONCE() all over the places.

-> Absolute nightmare for future backports to stable branches.