linux-kernel - Re: x86/random: Speculation to the rescue

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Message-ID: <20191006182103.GA2394@amd>
Date:   Sun, 6 Oct 2019 20:21:03 +0200
From:   Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>
To:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Cc:     Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        "Ahmed S. Darwish" <darwish.07@...il.com>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Theodore Ts'o <tytso@....edu>,
        Nicholas Mc Guire <hofrat@...ntech.at>,
        the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@...nel.org>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
Subject: Re: x86/random: Speculation to the rescue

On Sun 2019-10-06 11:06:38, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz> wrote:
> >
> > It will not: boot is now halted because systemd wants some
> > entropy. Everything is idle and very little interrupts are
> > happening. We have spinning rust, but it is idle, and thus not
> > generating any interrupts.
> 
> Yes, but we have that problem now solved.
> 
> Except on embedded platforms that have garbage CPU's without even a
> cycle counter.
> 
> But those won't have spinning rust anyway.
> 
> Yes, bad SSD's and MMC disks (that they do have) will generate timing
> noise too, but in the absense of a cycle counter, that noise won't be
> much use.

Even without cycle counter... if we _know_ we are trying to generate
entropy and have MMC available, we don't care about power and
performance.

So we can just...

   issue read request on MMC
   while (!interrupt_done)
   	 i++
	 
...and then use i++ as poor man's version of cycle counter.

[We would not want to do that in normal operation, for obvious
reasons, just when userland is blocked and waiting for entropy.]

Hmm?

Best regards,
									Pavel

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