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Message-ID: <20191011182748.23d6de31@gandalf.local.home>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 18:27:48 -0400
From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>
To: Florian Weimer <fw@...eb.enyo.de>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
Matthew Garrett <matthewgarrett@...gle.com>,
James Morris James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>,
LSM List <linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org>,
Linux API <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>,
Ben Hutchings <ben@...adent.org.uk>,
Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tracefs: Do not allocate and free proxy_ops for
lockdown
On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 23:46:20 +0200
Florian Weimer <fw@...eb.enyo.de> wrote:
> * Steven Rostedt:
>
> > Once locked down is set, can it ever be undone without rebooting?
>
> I think this is the original intent with such patches, yes. But then
> reality interferes and people add some escape hatch, so that it's
> possible again to load arbitrary kernel modules. And for servers, you
> can't have a meaningful physical presence check, so you end up with a
> lot of complexity for something that offers absolutely zero gains in
> security.
>
> The other practical issue is that general-purpose Linux distributions
> cannot prevent kernel downgrades, so even if there's a
> cryptographically signed chain from the firmware to the kernel, you
> can boot last year's kernel, use a root-to-ring-0 exploit to disable
> its particular implementation of lockdown, and then kexec the real
> kernel with lockdown disabled.
>
> I'm sure that kernel lockdown has applications somewhere, but for
> general-purpose distributions (who usually want to support third-party
> kernel modules), it's an endless source of problems that wouldn't
> exist without it.
I just decided to keep the two separate. The tracing_disable is
permanent (unless you actually do something that writes into kernel
memory to change the variable). When set, there's nothing to clear it.
Thus, I decided not to couple that with lockdown, and let the lockdown
folks do whatever they damn well please ;-)
-- Steve
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