Message-ID: <20191024042155.GA21090@___>
Date:   Thu, 24 Oct 2019 12:21:55 +0800
From:   Tiwei Bie <tiwei.bie@...el.com>
To:     Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
Cc:     mst@...hat.com, alex.williamson@...hat.com,
        maxime.coquelin@...hat.com, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        kvm@...r.kernel.org, virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
        netdev@...r.kernel.org, dan.daly@...el.com,
        cunming.liang@...el.com, zhihong.wang@...el.com,
        lingshan.zhu@...el.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] vhost: introduce mdev based hardware backend

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 06:29:21PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> On 2019/10/23 下午6:11, Tiwei Bie wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 03:25:00PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > On 2019/10/23 下午3:07, Tiwei Bie wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 01:46:23PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > On 2019/10/23 上午11:02, Tiwei Bie wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 09:30:16PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > > > On 2019/10/22 下午5:52, Tiwei Bie wrote:
> > > > > > > > This patch introduces a mdev based hardware vhost backend.
> > > > > > > > This backend is built on top of the same abstraction used
> > > > > > > > in virtio-mdev and provides a generic vhost interface for
> > > > > > > > userspace to accelerate the virtio devices in guest.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This backend is implemented as a mdev device driver on top
> > > > > > > > of the same mdev device ops used in virtio-mdev but using
> > > > > > > > a different mdev class id, and it will register the device
> > > > > > > > as a VFIO device for userspace to use. Userspace can setup
> > > > > > > > the IOMMU with the existing VFIO container/group APIs and
> > > > > > > > then get the device fd with the device name. After getting
> > > > > > > > the device fd of this device, userspace can use vhost ioctls
> > > > > > > > to setup the backend.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Tiwei Bie <tiwei.bie@...el.com>
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > This patch depends on below series:
> > > > > > > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/10/17/286
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > v1 -> v2:
> > > > > > > > - Replace _SET_STATE with _SET_STATUS (MST);
> > > > > > > > - Check status bits at each step (MST);
> > > > > > > > - Report the max ring size and max number of queues (MST);
> > > > > > > > - Add missing MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE (Jason);
> > > > > > > > - Only support the network backend w/o multiqueue for now;
> > > > > > > Any idea on how to extend it to support devices other than net? I think we
> > > > > > > want a generic API or an API that could be made generic in the future.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Do we want to e.g having a generic vhost mdev for all kinds of devices or
> > > > > > > introducing e.g vhost-net-mdev and vhost-scsi-mdev?
> > > > > > One possible way is to do what vhost-user does. I.e. Apart from
> > > > > > the generic ring, features, ... related ioctls, we also introduce
> > > > > > device specific ioctls when we need them. As vhost-mdev just needs
> > > > > > to forward configs between parent and userspace and even won't
> > > > > > cache any info when possible,
> > > > > So it looks to me this is only possible if we expose e.g set_config and
> > > > > get_config to userspace.
> > > > The set_config and get_config interface isn't really everything
> > > > of device specific settings. We also have ctrlq in virtio-net.
> > > 
> > > Yes, but it could be processed by the exist API. Isn't it? Just set ctrl vq
> > > address and let parent to deal with that.
> > I mean how to expose ctrlq related settings to userspace?
> 
> 
> I think it works like:
> 
> 1) userspace find ctrl_vq is supported
> 
> 2) then it can allocate memory for ctrl vq and set its address through
> vhost-mdev
> 
> 3) userspace can populate ctrl vq itself

I see. That is to say, userspace e.g. QEMU will program the
ctrl vq with the existing VHOST_*_VRING_* ioctls, and parent
drivers should know that the addresses used in ctrl vq are
host virtual addresses in vhost-mdev's case.

> 
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > > > > I think it might be better to do
> > > > > > this in one generic vhost-mdev module.
> > > > > Looking at definitions of VhostUserRequest in qemu, it mixed generic API
> > > > > with device specific API. If we want go this ways (a generic vhost-mdev),
> > > > > more questions needs to be answered:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1) How could userspace know which type of vhost it would use? Do we need to
> > > > > expose virtio subsystem device in for userspace this case?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2) That generic vhost-mdev module still need to filter out unsupported
> > > > > ioctls for a specific type. E.g if it probes a net device, it should refuse
> > > > > API for other type. This in fact a vhost-mdev-net but just not modularize it
> > > > > on top of vhost-mdev.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > - Some minor fixes and improvements;
> > > > > > > > - Rebase on top of virtio-mdev series v4;
> > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > > +static long vhost_mdev_get_features(struct vhost_mdev *m, u64 __user *featurep)
> > > > > > > > +{
> > > > > > > > +	if (copy_to_user(featurep, &m->features, sizeof(m->features)))
> > > > > > > > +		return -EFAULT;
> > > > > > > As discussed in previous version do we need to filter out MQ feature here?
> > > > > > I think it's more straightforward to let the parent drivers to
> > > > > > filter out the unsupported features. Otherwise it would be tricky
> > > > > > when we want to add more features in vhost-mdev module,
> > > > > It's as simple as remove the feature from blacklist?
> > > > It's not really that easy. It may break the old drivers.
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure I understand here, we do feature negotiation anyhow. For old
> > > drivers do you mean the guest drivers without MQ?
> > For old drivers I mean old parent drivers. It's possible
> > to compile old drivers on new kernels.
> 
> 
> Yes, but if old parent driver itself can not support MQ it should just not
> advertise that feature.
> 
> 
> > 
> > I'm not quite sure how will we implement MQ support in
> > vhost-mdev.
> 
> 
> Yes, that's why I ask here. I think we want the vhost-mdev to be generic
> which means it's better not let vhost-mdev to know anything which is device
> specific. So this is a question that should be considered.

+1

> 
> 
> > If we need to introduce new virtio_mdev_device_ops
> > callbacks and an old driver exposed the MQ feature,
> > then the new vhost-mdev will see this old driver expose
> > MQ feature but not provide corresponding callbacks.ean
> 
> 
> That's exact the issue which current API can not handle, so that's why I
> suggest to filter MQ out for vhost-mdev.
> 
> And in the future, we can:
> 
> 1) invent new ioctls and convert them to config access or
> 
> 2) just exposing config for userspace to access (then vhost-mdev work much
> more similar to virtio-mdev).
> 
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > > > > i.e. if
> > > > > > the parent drivers may expose unsupported features and relay on
> > > > > > vhost-mdev to filter them out, these features will be exposed
> > > > > > to userspace automatically when they are enabled in vhost-mdev
> > > > > > in the future.
> > > > > The issue is, it's only that vhost-mdev knows its own limitation. E.g in
> > > > > this patch, vhost-mdev only implements a subset of transport API, but parent
> > > > > doesn't know about that.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Still MQ as an example, there's no way (or no need) for parent to know that
> > > > > vhost-mdev does not support MQ.
> > > > The mdev is a MDEV_CLASS_ID_VHOST mdev device. When the parent
> > > > is being developed, it should know the currently supported features
> > > > of vhost-mdev.
> > > 
> > > How can parent know MQ is not supported by vhost-mdev?
> > Good point. I agree vhost-mdev should filter out the unsupported
> > features. But in the meantime, I think drivers also shouldn't
> > expose unsupported features.
> 
> 
> Exactly. But there's a case in the middle, e.g parent drivers support MQ and
> virtio-mdev can do that but not vhost-mdev.

As we have different mdev class IDs between virtio-mdev and
vhost-mdev, maybe parent can leverage it to return different
sets of supported features for virtio-mdev and vhost-mdev
respectively.

> 
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > > > And this allows old kenrel to work with new
> > > > > parent drivers.
> > > > The new drivers should provide things like VIRTIO_MDEV_F_VERSION_1
> > > > to be compatible with the old kernels. When VIRTIO_MDEV_F_VERSION_1
> > > > is provided/negotiated, the behaviours should be consistent.
> > > 
> > > To be clear, I didn't mean a change in virtio-mdev API, I meant:
> > > 
> > > 1) old vhost-mdev kernel driver that filters out MQ
> > > 
> > > 2) new parent driver that support MQ
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > > So basically we have three choices here:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1) Implement what vhost-user did and implement a generic vhost-mdev (but may
> > > > > still have lots of device specific code). To support advanced feature which
> > > > > requires the access to config, still lots of API that needs to be added.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2) Implement what vhost-kernel did, have a generic vhost-mdev driver and a
> > > > > vhost bus on top for match a device specific API e.g vhost-mdev-net. We
> > > > > still have device specific API but limit them only to device specific
> > > > > module. Still require new ioctls for advanced feature like MQ.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3) Simply expose all virtio-mdev transport to userspace.
> > > > Currently, virtio-mdev transport is a set of function callbacks
> > > > defined in kernel. How to simply expose virtio-mdev transport to
> > > > userspace?
> > > 
> > > The most straightforward way is to have an 1:1 mapping between ioctl and
> > > virito_mdev_device_ops.
> > Seems we are already trying to do 1:1 mapping between ioctl
> > and virtio_mdev_device_ops in vhost-mdev now (the major piece
> > missing is get_device_id/get_config/set_config).
> 
> 
> Yes, with this we can have a device independent API. Do you think this is
> better?

Yeah, I agree.

Thanks,
Tiwei

> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > A generic module
> > > > > without any type specific code (like virtio-mdev). No need dedicated API for
> > > > > e.g MQ. But then the API will look much different than current vhost did.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Consider the limitation of 1) I tend to choose 2 or 3. What's you opinion?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> 

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