Date:   Thu, 24 Oct 2019 17:18:39 +0800
From:   Tiwei Bie <tiwei.bie@...el.com>
To:     Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
Cc:     mst@...hat.com, alex.williamson@...hat.com,
        maxime.coquelin@...hat.com, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        kvm@...r.kernel.org, virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
        netdev@...r.kernel.org, dan.daly@...el.com,
        cunming.liang@...el.com, zhihong.wang@...el.com,
        lingshan.zhu@...el.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] vhost: introduce mdev based hardware backend

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 04:32:42PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> On 2019/10/24 下午4:03, Jason Wang wrote:
> > On 2019/10/24 下午12:21, Tiwei Bie wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 06:29:21PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > On 2019/10/23 下午6:11, Tiwei Bie wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 03:25:00PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > > On 2019/10/23 下午3:07, Tiwei Bie wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 01:46:23PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 2019/10/23 上午11:02, Tiwei Bie wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 09:30:16PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On 2019/10/22 下午5:52, Tiwei Bie wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > This patch introduces a mdev based hardware vhost backend.
> > > > > > > > > > > This backend is built on top of the same abstraction used
> > > > > > > > > > > in virtio-mdev and provides a generic vhost interface for
> > > > > > > > > > > userspace to accelerate the virtio devices in guest.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > This backend is implemented as a mdev device driver on top
> > > > > > > > > > > of the same mdev device ops used in virtio-mdev but using
> > > > > > > > > > > a different mdev class id, and it will register the device
> > > > > > > > > > > as a VFIO device for userspace to use. Userspace can setup
> > > > > > > > > > > the IOMMU with the existing VFIO container/group APIs and
> > > > > > > > > > > then get the device fd with the device name. After getting
> > > > > > > > > > > the device fd of this device, userspace can use vhost ioctls
> > > > > > > > > > > to setup the backend.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Tiwei Bie <tiwei.bie@...el.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > > > > This patch depends on below series:
> > > > > > > > > > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/10/17/286
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > v1 -> v2:
> > > > > > > > > > > - Replace _SET_STATE with _SET_STATUS (MST);
> > > > > > > > > > > - Check status bits at each step (MST);
> > > > > > > > > > > - Report the max ring size and max number of queues (MST);
> > > > > > > > > > > - Add missing MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE (Jason);
> > > > > > > > > > > - Only support the network backend w/o multiqueue for now;
> > > > > > > > > > Any idea on how to extend it to support
> > > > > > > > > > devices other than net? I think we
> > > > > > > > > > want a generic API or an API that could
> > > > > > > > > > be made generic in the future.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Do we want to e.g having a generic vhost
> > > > > > > > > > mdev for all kinds of devices or
> > > > > > > > > > introducing e.g vhost-net-mdev and vhost-scsi-mdev?
> > > > > > > > > One possible way is to do what vhost-user does. I.e. Apart from
> > > > > > > > > the generic ring, features, ... related ioctls, we also introduce
> > > > > > > > > device specific ioctls when we need them. As vhost-mdev just needs
> > > > > > > > > to forward configs between parent and userspace and even won't
> > > > > > > > > cache any info when possible,
> > > > > > > > So it looks to me this is only possible if we
> > > > > > > > expose e.g set_config and
> > > > > > > > get_config to userspace.
> > > > > > > The set_config and get_config interface isn't really everything
> > > > > > > of device specific settings. We also have ctrlq in virtio-net.
> > > > > > Yes, but it could be processed by the exist API. Isn't
> > > > > > it? Just set ctrl vq
> > > > > > address and let parent to deal with that.
> > > > > I mean how to expose ctrlq related settings to userspace?
> > > > 
> > > > I think it works like:
> > > > 
> > > > 1) userspace find ctrl_vq is supported
> > > > 
> > > > 2) then it can allocate memory for ctrl vq and set its address through
> > > > vhost-mdev
> > > > 
> > > > 3) userspace can populate ctrl vq itself
> > > I see. That is to say, userspace e.g. QEMU will program the
> > > ctrl vq with the existing VHOST_*_VRING_* ioctls, and parent
> > > drivers should know that the addresses used in ctrl vq are
> > > host virtual addresses in vhost-mdev's case.
> > 
> > 
> > That's really good point. And that means parent needs to differ vhost
> > from virtio. It should work.
> 
> 
> HVA may only work when we have something similar to VHOST_SET_OWNER which
> can reuse MM of its owner.

We already have VHOST_SET_OWNER in vhost now, parent can handle
the commands in its .kick_vq() which is called by vq's .handle_kick
callback. Virtio-user did something similar:

https://github.com/DPDK/dpdk/blob/0da7f445df445630c794897347ee360d6fe6348b/drivers/net/virtio/virtio_user_ethdev.c#L313-L322

> 
> 
> > But is there any chance to use DMA address? I'm asking since the API
> > then tends to be device specific.
> 
> 
> I wonder whether we can introduce MAP IOMMU notifier and get DMA mappings
> from that.

I think this will complicate things unnecessarily and may
bring pains. Because, in vhost-mdev, mdev's ctrl vq is
supposed to be managed by host. And we should try to avoid
putting ctrl vq and Rx/Tx vqs in the same DMA space to prevent
guests having the chance to bypass the host (e.g. QEMU) to
setup the backend accelerator directly.

> 
> Thanks
> 

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