Message-ID: <20191108095529.GC43905@e119886-lin.cambridge.arm.com>
Date:   Fri, 8 Nov 2019 09:55:29 +0000
From:   Andrew Murray <andrew.murray@....com>
To:     Pankaj Dubey <pankaj.dubey@...sung.com>
Cc:     'Rob Herring' <robh@...nel.org>, kishon@...com,
        'Anvesh Salveru' <anvesh.s@...sung.com>,
        linux-pci@...r.kernel.org, devicetree@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, bhelgaas@...gle.com,
        gustavo.pimentel@...opsys.com, jingoohan1@...il.com,
        'Mark Rutland' <mark.rutland@....com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] dt-bindings: PCI: designware: Add binding for
 ZRX-DC PHY property

On Fri, Nov 08, 2019 at 08:54:53AM +0530, Pankaj Dubey wrote:
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrew Murray <andrew.murray@....com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 3:24 PM
> > To: Rob Herring <robh@...nel.org>
> > Cc: Anvesh Salveru <anvesh.s@...sung.com>; linux-pci@...r.kernel.org;
> > devicetree@...r.kernel.org; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org;
> > bhelgaas@...gle.com; gustavo.pimentel@...opsys.com;
> > jingoohan1@...il.com; pankaj.dubey@...sung.com; Mark Rutland
> > <mark.rutland@....com>
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] dt-bindings: PCI: designware: Add binding for
> ZRX-
> > DC PHY property
> > 
> > On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 03:53:32PM -0600, Rob Herring wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 05:46:27PM +0530, Anvesh Salveru wrote:
> > > > Add support for ZRX-DC compliant PHYs. If PHY is not compliant to
> > > > ZRX-DC specification, then after every 100ms link should transition
> > > > to recovery state during the low power states which increases power
> > consumption.
> > > >
> > > > Platforms with ZRX-DC compliant PHY can use "snps,phy-zrxdc-compliant"
> > > > property in DesignWare controller DT node.
> > > >
> > > > CC: Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org>
> > > > CC: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>
> > > > Signed-off-by: Anvesh Salveru <anvesh.s@...sung.com>
> > > > Signed-off-by: Pankaj Dubey <pankaj.dubey@...sung.com>
> > > > Reviewed-by: Gustavo Pimentel <gustavo.pimentel@...opsys.com>
> > > > ---
> > > > Change in v2: None
> > > >
> > > >  Documentation/devicetree/bindings/pci/designware-pcie.txt | 2 ++
> > > >  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+)
> > > >
> > > > diff --git
> > > > a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/pci/designware-pcie.txt
> > > > b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/pci/designware-pcie.txt
> > > > index 78494c4050f7..9507ac38ac89 100644
> > > > --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/pci/designware-pcie.txt
> > > > +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/pci/designware-pcie.txt
> > > > @@ -38,6 +38,8 @@ Optional properties:
> > > >     for data corruption. CDM registers include standard PCIe
> configuration
> > > >     space registers, Port Logic registers, DMA and iATU (internal
> Address
> > > >     Translation Unit) registers.
> > > > +- snps,phy-zrxdc-compliant: This property is needed if phy complies
> > > > +with the
> > > > +  ZRX-DC specification.
> > >
> > > If this is a property of the phy, then it belongs in the phy node or
> > > should just be implied by the phy's compatible.
> > 
> Yes, from HW point of view this is a property of the PHY. As PHY is the one
> which is ZRXDC compliant or non-compliant.  But as the DW controller
> programming needs to be altered for handling such phys, so we added it as a
> DT binding of DW controller driver.

I understand how you arrived at the current approach.

> 
> We can't use PHY's compatible in case we want this to be in common code
> (pcie-designware.c), as PHY compatible for each of the platform would be
> different and PCIe DWC core file is not aware of this compatible. Of-course
> this can be handled in platform specific driver, but then in that case each
> of these drivers will add similar code to handle this.
> 
> > As suggested in the previous revision of this series [1], this is
> absolutely a
> > property of the phy.
> 
> Agreed, but as I tried to explain in series [1], this we are adding in
> controller driver, as controller driver needs to program it's register based
> on PHY HW property. 

It creates a challenge, but it isn't a good justification for putting the
property in the wrong place in the DT. The DT should describe the hardware
without much consideration for ease of programming.

> 
> > 
> > > IOW, you should be able
> > > to support this or not without changing DTs.
> > >
> > > Is this spec Synopys specific? (About the only thing Google turns up
> > > are your patches.) If not, then probably shouldn't have a 'snps' prefix.
> > 
> > This was also unfamiliar to me, however my current understanding is that
> Zrx-dc
> > describes the 'Receiver DC single ended impedance' limits, this is
> specified in the
> > PCI specification (table 'Common Receiver Parameters'), with a different
> limit
> > for each speed.
> > 
> > I believe the purpose of this series is to to satisfy the following
> implementation
> > note in the spec "Ports that meet the Zrx-dc specification for 2.5 GT/s
> while in
> > the L1.Idle state are therefore not required to implement the 100 ms
> timeout
> > and transition to Recovery should avoid implementing it, since it will
> reduce the
> > power savings expected from the
> > L1 state".
> >
> 
> > In other words, if it is known that the phy is compliant then an
> unnecessary
> > transition to a higher energy state can be avoided. Though it's the PCI
> controller
> > (in this case) that must action this and must find out about the phy it is
> > connected to.
> >
> 
> Thanks, this is exactly the purpose of the patch. Currently this is being
> handled in respective platform's driver, this patch intends to move this in
> common code, where any platform driver using DesignWare controller can use
> it without repeating same piece of code.
>  
> > So in my view 'phy-zrxdc-compliant' should be a property of a phy (without
> snps
> > prefix), and if a controller wants to determine if it is compliant then
> there must
> > be a phandle to the phy so the controller can find out.
> 
> 
> Removing snps prefix, I am OK with it. But for moving this property to PHY
> node, we need to find solution, how PCIe controller driver will access this
> property of PHY device.
>  
> Platform driver which are using DesignWare controller driver has a phandle
> to PHY, but question is here how does DesignWare controller driver will
> infer this information from PHY driver. Some approaches which I can think of
> are:
> 1) If PHY framework has some generic API to check if a particular property
> exists in PHY node then it will be useful in such cases. Currently I don't
> see any such API exists. Though I am not sure if it is OK to add such API in
> PHY framework for such cases? Adding Kishon to comment on this.
> 2) Currently phandle to PHY is being stored as part of private data
> structure of platform specific controller driver, and DesignWare core driver
> can't access the phandle. So we need to move or keep copy of phandle pointer
> to DesignWare core driver structure instead of keeping it in platform
> specific private structure. 

Indeed, these are both valid solutions. In other words put the property in
the phy, and figure out how you can access that from the controller.

There must be many examples in the kernel of drivers needing to understand
properties of hardware components they are connected to. Though I haven't
explored in any detail how to solve this particular challenge.

> 
> I am open to any suggestion which can help us in keeping common piece of
> code in DesignWare controller driver than repeating same in each and every
> platform driver using DWC controller.

Agreed, I'd expect to see a solution that doesn't involve duplicating code
in the host bridge drivers.

Thanks,

Andrew Murray

> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Pankaj Dubey
> 
> > 
> > [1] https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/11202121/
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Andrew Murray
> > 
> > >
> > > >  RC mode:
> > > >  - num-viewport: number of view ports configured in hardware. If a
> platform
> > > >    does not specify it, the driver assumes 2.
> > > > --
> > > > 2.17.1
> > > >
> 

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