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Message-ID: <135240750.136.1573744944568.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com>
Date:   Thu, 14 Nov 2019 10:22:24 -0500 (EST)
From:   Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>
To:     paulmck <paulmck@...nel.org>
Cc:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>, x86 <x86@...nel.org>,
        linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@...nel.org>,
        bristot <bristot@...hat.com>, jbaron <jbaron@...mai.com>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>, Nadav Amit <namit@...are.com>,
        "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@...aro.org>,
        Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...hat.com>,
        Jessica Yu <jeyu@...nel.org>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH -v5 12/17] x86/kprobes: Fix ordering

----- On Nov 14, 2019, at 10:13 AM, paulmck paulmck@...nel.org wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 10:06:17AM -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> ----- On Nov 14, 2019, at 8:53 AM, Peter Zijlstra peterz@...radead.org wrote:
>> 
>> > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 10:42:32AM -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> >> ----- On Nov 11, 2019, at 8:13 AM, Peter Zijlstra peterz@...radead.org wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > Kprobes does something like:
>> >> > 
>> >> > register:
>> >> >	arch_arm_kprobe()
>> >> >	  text_poke(INT3)
>> >> >          /* guarantees nothing, INT3 will become visible at some point, maybe */
>> >> > 
>> >> >        kprobe_optimizer()
>> >> >	  /* guarantees the bytes after INT3 are unused */
>> >> >	  syncrhonize_rcu_tasks();
>> >> 
>> >> syncrhonize -> synchronize
>> > 
>> > Fixed.
>> > 
>> >> >	  text_poke_bp(JMP32);
>> >> >	  /* implies IPI-sync, kprobe really is enabled */
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > unregister:
>> >> >	__disarm_kprobe()
>> >> >	  unoptimize_kprobe()
>> >> >	    text_poke_bp(INT3 + tail);
>> >> >	    /* implies IPI-sync, so tail is guaranteed visible */
>> >> >          arch_disarm_kprobe()
>> >> >            text_poke(old);
>> >> >	    /* guarantees nothing, old will maybe become visible */
>> >> > 
>> >> >	synchronize_rcu()
>> >> > 
>> >> >        free-stuff
>> >> > 
>> >> > Now the problem is that on register, the synchronize_rcu_tasks() does
>> >> > not imply sufficient to guarantee all CPUs have already observed INT3
>> >> > (although in practise this is exceedingly unlikely not to have
>> >> 
>> >> practise -> practice
>> > 
>> > And fixed.
>> > 
>> >> > happened) (similar to how MEMBARRIER_CMD_PRIVATE_EXPEDITED does not
>> >> > imply MEMBARRIER_CMD_PRIVATE_EXPEDITED_SYNC_CORE).
>> >> > 
>> >> > Worse, even if it did, we'd have to do 2 synchronize calls to provide
>> >> > the guarantee we're looking for, the first to ensure INT3 is visible,
>> >> > the second to guarantee nobody is then still using the instruction
>> >> > bytes after INT3.
>> >> 
>> >> I'm not entirely convinced about this last statement though. AFAIU:
>> >> 
>> >> - Swapping between some instruction and INT3 is OK,
>> >> - Swapping back between that INT3 and _original_ instruction is OK,
>> >> - Anything else needs to have explicit core serialization.
>> > 
>> > So far, agreed.
>> > 
>> >> So I understand the part about requiring the synchronize call to guarantee
>> >> that nobody is then still using the instruction bytes following INT3, but not
>> >> the rationale for the first synchronization. What operation would theoretically
>> >> follow this first synchronize call ?
>> > 
>> > I'm not completely sure what you're asking, so I'm going to explain too
>> > much and hope I answered your question along the way. If not, please be
>> > a little more specific.
>> > 
>> > First:
>> > 
>> > So what can happen with optimized kprobes is that the original
>> > instruction is <5 bytes and we want to write a JMP.d32 (5 bytes).
>> > Something like:
>> > 
>> >	83e:   48 89 e5                mov    %rsp,%rbp
>> >	841:   48 85 c0                test   %rax,%rax
>> > 
>> > And we put a kprobe on the MOV. Then we poke INT3 at 0x83e and IPI-sync.
>> > At that point the kprobe is active:
>> > 
>> >	83e:   cc 89 e5                int3 ; 2 byte garbage
>> >	841:   48 85 c0                test   %rax,%rax
>> > 
>> > Now we want to optimize that thing. But imagine a task being preempted
>> > at 0x841. If we poke in the JMP.d32 the above turns into gibberish
>> > 
>> >	83e:   e9 12 34 56 78		jmp +0x12345678
>> > 
>> > Then our task resumes, loads the instruction at 0x841, which then reads:
>> > 
>> >	841:   56 78 c0
>> > 
>> > And goes *bang*.
>> 
>> Thanks for the reminder. I somehow forgot that optimized kprobes covered
>> instructions smaller than 5 bytes.
>> 
>> > 
>> > So what we do, after enabling the regular kprobe, is call
>> > synchronize_rcu_tasks() to wait for each task to have passed through
>> > schedule(). That guarantees no task is preempted inside the kprobe
>> > shadow (when it triggers it ensures it resumes execution at an
>> > instruction boundary further than 5 bytes away).
>> 
>> Indeed, given that synchronize_rcu_tasks() awaits for voluntary context
>> switches (or user-space execution), it guarantees that no task was preempted
>> within the kprobe shadow.
>> 
>> Considering that synchronize_rcu_tasks() is meant only for code rewriting,
>> I wonder if it would make sense to include the core serializing guarantees
>> within this RCU API ?
> 
> As in have synchronize_rcu_tasks() do the IPI-sync love before doing
> the current wait-for-voluntary-context-switch work?

This is what I have in mind, yes, based on the assumption that the only
intended use-case for synchronize_rcu_tasks() is code patching.

> I don't know of
> any objection to that approach.  Certainly there is no possible
> argument based on latency.  ;-)

Indeed! :)

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

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