linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 1/2] Documentation: clarify limitations of hibernation

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <CAJZ5v0i=v_+n1yVdmO7L1FYpe=3WQHM03NQqHNfTCTKG5MVtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Thu, 30 Jan 2020 22:29:37 +0100
From:   "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@...nel.org>
To:     Luigi Semenzato <semenzato@...gle.com>
Cc:     "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@...nel.org>,
        Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>,
        Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Geoff Pike <gpike@...gle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] Documentation: clarify limitations of hibernation

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:11 PM Luigi Semenzato <semenzato@...gle.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:50 PM Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael@...nel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 6:21 PM Luigi Semenzato <semenzato@...gle.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 8:28 AM Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael@...nel.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 5:13 PM Luigi Semenzato <semenzato@...gle.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 6:16 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri 24-01-20 08:37:12, Luigi Semenzato wrote:
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > The purpose of my documentation patch was to make it clearer that
> > > > > > > hibernation may fail in situations in which suspend-to-RAM works; for
> > > > > > > instance, when there is no swap, and anonymous pages are over 50% of
> > > > > > > total RAM.  I will send a new version of the patch which hopefully
> > > > > > > makes this clearer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was under impression that s2disk is pretty much impossible without any
> > > > > > swap.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not sure what you mean by "swap" here.  S2disk needs a swap
> > > > > partition for storing the image, but that partition is not used for
> > > > > regular swap.
> > > >
> > > > That's not correct.
> > > >
> > > > The swap partition (or file) used by s2disk needs to be made active
> > > > before it can use it and the mm subsystem is also able to use it for
> > > > regular swap then.
> > >
> > > OK---I had this wrong, thanks.
> > >
> > > > >  If there is no swap, but more than 50% of RAM is free
> > > > > or reclaimable, s2disk works fine.  If anonymous is more than 50%,
> > > > > hibernation can still work, but swap needs to be set up (in addition
> > > > > to the space for the hibernation image).  The setup is not obvious and
> > > > > I don't think that the documentation is clear on this.
> > > >
> > > > Well, the entire contents of RAM must be preserved, this way or
> > > > another, during hibernation.  That should be totally obvious to anyone
> > > > using it really.
> > >
> > > Yes, that's obvious.
> > >
> > > > Some of the RAM contents is copies of data already there in the
> > > > filesystems on persistent storage and that does not need to be saved
> > > > again.  Everything else must be saved and s2disk (and Linux
> > > > hibernation in general) uses active swap space to save these things.
> > > > This implies that in order to hibernate the system, you generally need
> > > > the amount of swap space equal to the size of RAM minus the size of
> > > > files mapped into memory.
> > > >
> > > > So, to be on the safe side, the total amount of swap space to be used
> > > > for hibernation needs to match the size of RAM (even though
> > > > realistically it may be smaller than that in the majority of cases).
> > >
> > > This all makes sense, but we do this:
> > >
> > > -- add resume=/dev/sdc to the command line
> > > -- attach a disk (/dev/sdc) with size equal to RAM
> > > -- mkswap /dev/sdc
> > > -- swapon /dev/sdc
> > > -- echo disk > /sys/power/state
> > >
> > > and the last operation fails with ENOMEM.  Are we doing something
> > > wrong?  Are we hitting some other mm bug?
> >
> > I would expect this to work, so the fact that it doesn't work for you
> > indicates a bug somewhere or at least an assumption that doesn't hold.
> >
> > Can you please remind me what you do to trigger the unexpected behavior?
>
> Yes, I create processes that use a large amount of anon memory, more
> than 50% of RAM, like this:
>
> dd if=/dev/zero bs=1G count=1 | sleep infinity
>
> I think dd has a 2 GB limit, or around that number, so you'll need a
> few of those.

And then you get -ENOMEM from hibernate_preallocate_memory(), or from
somewhere else?