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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 11:26:56 +0100 From: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@....com> To: Thara Gopinath <thara.gopinath@...aro.org>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org> Cc: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@...radead.org>, mingo@...hat.com, ionela.voinescu@....com, vincent.guittot@...aro.org, rui.zhang@...el.com, qperret@...gle.com, daniel.lezcano@...aro.org, viresh.kumar@...aro.org, rostedt@...dmis.org, will@...nel.org, catalin.marinas@....com, sudeep.holla@....com, juri.lelli@...hat.com, corbet@....net, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, amit.kachhap@...il.com, javi.merino@...nel.org, amit.kucheria@...durent.com Subject: Re: [Patch v9 7/8] sched/fair: Enable tuning of decay period On 13/02/2020 14:54, Thara Gopinath wrote: > On 02/10/2020 06:59 AM, Dietmar Eggemann wrote: >> On 07/02/2020 23:42, Thara Gopinath wrote: >>> On 02/04/2020 03:39 AM, Dietmar Eggemann wrote: >>>> On 03/02/2020 16:55, Peter Zijlstra wrote: >>>>> On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 07:07:57AM -0500, Thara Gopinath wrote: >>>>>> On 01/28/2020 06:56 PM, Randy Dunlap wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/28/20 2:36 PM, Thara Gopinath wrote: [...] >> is really not saying from which review comment the individual changes in >> the function name are coming from. And I don't see an answer to Ionela's >> email saying that her proposal will manifest in a particular part of >> this change. > Hi Dietmar, > > Like I said, don't want to argue on name. It is trivial for me. I have > v10 prepped with the name change. Will send it out shortly. Thanks. [...] >> Cpu-invariant accounting can't be guarded with a kernel CONFIG switch. >> Frequency-invariant accounting could be with CONFIG_CPU_FREQ but this is >> enabled by default by Arm64 defconfig. >> Thermal pressure (accounting) (CONFIG_HAVE_SCHED_THERMAL_PRESSURE) is >> disabled by default so why should a per-cpu thermal_pressure be >> maintained on such a system (CONFIG_CPU_THERMAL=y by default)? > > I agree that there is no need for per-cpu thermal pressure to be > maintained if no averaging is happening in the scheduler, today. I don't > know if there will ever be an use for it. All arch_scale_FOO() functions follow the approach to force the arch (currently x86, arm, arm64) to do #define arch_scale_FOO BAR to enable the FOO functionality. There is no direct link between consumer and provider here. consumer (sched) -> arch <- provider (arch, counters, CPUfreq, CPU cooling, etc.) So IMHO, FOO=thermal_pressure should follow this design pattern too. 'thermal_pressure' would be the only one which can be disabled by a kernel config switch at the consumer side. IMHO, it doesn't make sense to have the provider operating in this case. > My issue has to do with using a config option meant for internal > scheduler code being used else where. To me, once this happens, the > entire work done to separate out reading and writing of instantaneous > thermal pressure to arch_topology makes no sense. We could have kept it > in scheduler itself. You might see thermal_pressure more on the level of irq_load or [rt/dl]_rq_load and that could be why we have a different opinion here? Now rt_rq_load and dl_rq_load are scheduler internal providers and irq_load is driven by 'irq_delta + steal' time (which is much closer to the scheduler than thermal for instance). My assumption is that we don't want a direct link between the scheduler and e.g. a provider 'thermal'. > Another way I think about this whole thermal pressure framework is that > it is the job of cooling device or cpufreq or any other entity to update > a throttle in maximum pressure to the scheduler. It should be > independent of what scheduler does with it. Scheduler can choose to > ignore it
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