linux-kernel - Re: --orphan-handling=warn

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Message-ID: <202002251140.4F28F0A4F@keescook>
Date:   Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:42:58 -0800
From:   Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
To:     Arvind Sankar <nivedita@...m.mit.edu>
Cc:     Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@...gle.com>,
        Fangrui Song <maskray@...gle.com>,
        Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
        Nathan Chancellor <natechancellor@...il.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        "maintainer:X86 ARCHITECTURE (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)" <x86@...nel.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        clang-built-linux <clang-built-linux@...glegroups.com>,
        Michael Matz <matz@...e.de>,
        Kristen Carlson Accardi <kristen@...ux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: --orphan-handling=warn

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 01:29:51PM -0500, Arvind Sankar wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 09:35:04PM -0800, Kees Cook wrote:
> > Actually, it's rather opposed to the FGKASLR series, as for that, I need
> > some kind of linker script directive like this:
> > 
> > 	/PASSTHRU/ : {
> > 		*(.text.*)
> > 	}
> > 
> > Where "PASSTHRU" would create a 1-to-1 input-section to output-section
> > with the same name, flags, etc.
> > 
> > ld.bfd's handling of orphan sections named .text.* is to put them each
> > as a separate output section, after the existing .text output section.
> > 
> > ld.lld's handling of orphan sections named .text.* is to put them into
> > the .text output section.
> 
> This doesn't match ld's documentation [1] of how orphan sections are to
> be handled, it's supposed to append it into an existing output section
> only if the names match exactly, creating a new one if that isn't so. If
> ld.lld is to be a drop-in replacement for ld.bfd, this probably needs to
> change?

That would be lovely! :P

> Also ld.lld doesn't seem to support the --unique option, I think you'll
> also want that for FGKASLR to avoid merging static functions with the
> same name from unrelated source files.

Right, yes, that seems like something we have to depend on.

> 
> [1] https://sourceware.org/binutils/docs/ld/Orphan-Sections.html
> 
> > 
> > For FGKASLR (as it is currently implemented[2]), the sections need to be
> > individually named output sections (as bfd does it). *However*, with the
> > "warn on orphans" patch, FGKASLR's intentional orphaning will backfire
> > (I guess the warning could be turned off, but I'd like lld to handle
> > FGKASLR at some point.)
> > 
> > Note that cheating and doing the 1-to-1 mapping by handy with a 40,000
> > entry linker script ... made ld.lld take about 15 minutes to do the
> > final link. :(
> 
> Out of curiosity, how long does ld.bfd take on that linker script :)

A single CPU at 100% for 15 minutes. :)

-- 
Kees Cook