linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v3 0/5] mm: Enable CONFIG_NODES_SPAN_OTHER

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Date:   Mon, 30 Mar 2020 13:26:19 +0300
From:   Mike Rapoport <rppt@...ux.ibm.com>
To:     Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>
Cc:     Hoan Tran <Hoan@...amperecomputing.com>,
        Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
        Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>,
        Oscar Salvador <osalvador@...e.de>,
        Pavel Tatashin <pavel.tatashin@...rosoft.com>,
        Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@...ux.intel.com>,
        Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
        Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>,
        Michael Ellerman <mpe@...erman.id.au>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
        "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@...ibm.com>,
        Vasily Gorbik <gor@...ux.ibm.com>,
        Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@...ibm.com>,
        "open list:MEMORY MANAGEMENT" <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
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        lho@...erecomputing.com, mmorana@...erecomputing.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/5] mm: Enable CONFIG_NODES_SPAN_OTHER_NODES by
 default for NUMA

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:58:43AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Mon 30-03-20 12:21:27, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 09:42:46AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > On Sat 28-03-20 11:31:17, Hoan Tran wrote:
> > > > In NUMA layout which nodes have memory ranges that span across other nodes,
> > > > the mm driver can detect the memory node id incorrectly.
> > > > 
> > > > For example, with layout below
> > > > Node 0 address: 0000 xxxx 0000 xxxx
> > > > Node 1 address: xxxx 1111 xxxx 1111
> > > > 
> > > > Note:
> > > >  - Memory from low to high
> > > >  - 0/1: Node id
> > > >  - x: Invalid memory of a node
> > > > 
> > > > When mm probes the memory map, without CONFIG_NODES_SPAN_OTHER_NODES
> > > > config, mm only checks the memory validity but not the node id.
> > > > Because of that, Node 1 also detects the memory from node 0 as below
> > > > when it scans from the start address to the end address of node 1.
> > > > 
> > > > Node 0 address: 0000 xxxx xxxx xxxx
> > > > Node 1 address: xxxx 1111 1111 1111
> > > > 
> > > > This layout could occur on any architecture. Most of them enables
> > > > this config by default with CONFIG_NUMA. This patch, by default, enables
> > > > CONFIG_NODES_SPAN_OTHER_NODES or uses early_pfn_in_nid() for NUMA.
> > > 
> > > I am not opposed to this at all. It reduces the config space and that is
> > > a good thing on its own. The history has shown that meory layout might
> > > be really wild wrt NUMA. The config is only used for early_pfn_in_nid
> > > which is clearly an overkill.
> > > 
> > > Your description doesn't really explain why this is safe though. The
> > > history of this config is somehow messy, though. Mike has tried
> > > to remove it a94b3ab7eab4 ("[PATCH] mm: remove arch independent
> > > NODES_SPAN_OTHER_NODES") just to be reintroduced by 7516795739bd
> > > ("[PATCH] Reintroduce NODES_SPAN_OTHER_NODES for powerpc") without any
> > > reasoning what so ever. This doesn't make it really easy see whether
> > > reasons for reintroduction are still there. Maybe there are some subtle
> > > dependencies. I do not see any TBH but that might be burried deep in an
> > > arch specific code.
> > 
> > Well, back then early_pfn_in_nid() was arch-dependant, today everyone
> > except ia64 rely on HAVE_MEMBLOCK_NODE_MAP.
> 
> What would it take to make ia64 use HAVE_MEMBLOCK_NODE_MAP? I would
> really love to see that thing go away. It is causing problems when
> people try to use memblock api.

Sorry, my bad, ia64 does not have NODES_SPAN_OTHER_NODES, but it does have
HAVE_MEMBLOCK_NODE_MAP.

I remember I've tried killing HAVE_MEMBLOCK_NODE_MAP, but I've run into
some problems and then I've got distracted. I too would like to have
HAVE_MEMBLOCK_NODE_MAP go away, maybe I'll take another look at it.
 
> > So, if the memblock node map
> > is correct, that using CONFIG_NUMA instead of CONFIG_NODES_SPAN_OTHER_NODES
> > would only mean that early_pfn_in_nid() will cost several cycles more on
> > architectures that didn't select CONFIG_NODES_SPAN_OTHER_NODES (i.e. arm64
> > and sh).
> 
> Do we have any idea on how much of an overhead that is? Because this is
> per each pfn so it can accumulate a lot! 

It's O(log(N)) where N is the amount of the memory banks (ie. memblock.memory.cnt)
 
> > Agian, ia64 is an exception here.
> 
> Thanks for the clarification!
> -- 
> Michal Hocko
> SUSE Labs

-- 
Sincerely yours,
Mike.