linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] mm: Add PG

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Message-ID: <7a064e81-6bc1-b3e7-5f82-292ffa392058@intel.com>
Date:   Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:14:32 -0700
From:   Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>
To:     Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@...hat.com>
Cc:     Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@...ux.intel.com>,
        Mel Gorman <mgorman@...hsingularity.net>, linux-mm@...ck.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@...hat.com>,
        Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>,
        David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>,
        Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        "Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@...el.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] mm: Add PG_zero support

On 4/13/20 7:49 AM, Alex Williamson wrote:
>> VFIO's unconditional page pinning is the real problem here IMNHO.  They
>> don't *really* need to pin the memory.  We just don't have good
>> paravirtualized IOMMU support or want to pay the runtime cost for
>> pin/unpin operations.  You *could* totally have speedy VM startup if
>> only the pages being accessed or having DMA performed to them were
>> allocated.  But, the hacks that are in place mean that everything must
>> be pinned.
> Maybe in an SEV or Secure Boot environment we can assume the VM guest
> OS uses the IOMMU exclusively for DMA, but otherwise the IOMMU is
> optional (at least for x86, other archs do require IOMMU support
> afaik).  Therefore, how would we know which pages to pin when there are
> only limited configs where we might be able to lean on the vIOMMU to
> this extent?  Thanks,

You can delay pinning until the device is actually used.  That should be
late enough for the host to figure out whether a paravirtualized IOMMU
is in place.