linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 0/7] livepatch,module: Remove .klp.arch and module_disable

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Message-ID: <20200417085049.GA2582@linux-8ccs>
Date:   Fri, 17 Apr 2020 10:50:50 +0200
From:   Jessica Yu <jeyu@...nel.org>
To:     Miroslav Benes <mbenes@...e.cz>
Cc:     Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...hat.com>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        live-patching@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] livepatch,module: Remove .klp.arch and
 module_disable_ro()

+++ Miroslav Benes [17/04/20 10:27 +0200]:
>On Thu, 16 Apr 2020, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 05:31:31PM +0200, Jessica Yu wrote:
>> > > But I still not a fan of the fact that COMING has two different
>> > > "states".  For example, after your patch, when apply_relocate_add() is
>> > > called from klp_module_coming(), it can use memcpy(), but when called
>> > > from klp module init() it has to use text poke.  But both are COMING so
>> > > there's no way to look at the module state to know which can be used.
>> >
>> > This is a good observation, thanks for bringing it up. I agree that we
>> > should strive to be consistent with what the module states mean. In my
>> > head, I think it is easiest to assume/establish the following meanings
>> > for each module state:
>> >
>> > MODULE_STATE_UNFORMED - no protections. relocations, alternatives,
>> > ftrace module initialization, etc. any other text modifications are
>> > in the process of being applied. Direct writes are permissible.
>> >
>> > MODULE_STATE_COMING - module fully formed, text modifications are
>> > done, protections applied, module is ready to execute init or is
>> > executing init.
>> >
>> > I wonder if we could enforce the meaning of these two states more
>> > consistently without needing to add another module state.
>> >
>> > Regarding Peter's patches, with the set_all_modules_text_*() api gone,
>> > and ftrace reliance on MODULE_STATE_COMING gone (I think?), is there
>> > anything preventing ftrace_module_init+enable from being called
>> > earlier (i.e., before complete_formation()) while the module is
>> > unformed? Then you don't have to move module_enable_ro/nx later and we
>> > keep the MODULE_STATE_COMING semantics. And if we're enforcing the
>> > above module state meanings, I would also be OK with moving jump_label
>> > and static_call out of the coming notifier chain and making them
>> > explicit calls while the module is still writable.
>> >
>> > Sorry in advance if I missed anything above, I'm still trying to wrap
>> > my head around which callers need what module state and what module
>> > permissions :/
>>
>> Sounds reasonable to me...
>>
>> BTW, instead of hard-coding the jump-label/static-call/ftrace calls, we
>> could instead call notifiers with MODULE_STATE_UNFORMED.
>
>That was exactly what I was thinking about too while reading Jessica's
>email. Since (hopefully all if I remember correctly. I checked only
>random subset now) existing module notifiers check module state,
>it should not be a problem.

Agreed, especially with the growing number of callers now that want to
access the module while it is still writable, it seems reasonable.
IIRC, the module notifiers I looked at too checked the module state
value appropriately, so I think we are fine as well (thanks for checking!)

Jessica