Message-ID: <20200421185422.ziu2ejdvuofg5fu5@madcap2.tricolour.ca>
Date:   Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:54:22 -0400
From:   Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@...hat.com>
To:     Steve Grubb <sgrubb@...hat.com>
Cc:     linux-audit@...hat.com, fw@...len.de,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        netfilter-devel@...r.kernel.org, ebiederm@...ssion.com,
        twoerner@...hat.com, Eric Paris <eparis@...isplace.org>,
        tgraf@...radead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH ghak25 v3 3/3] audit: add subj creds to NETFILTER_CFG
 record to cover async unregister

On 2020-04-21 11:15, Steve Grubb wrote:
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 5:53:47 PM EDT Paul Moore wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:33 PM Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@...hat.com> wrote:
> > > On 2020-03-18 17:22, Paul Moore wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 9:12 AM Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@...hat.com> 
> wrote:
> > > > > On 2020-03-17 17:30, Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
> > > > > > Some table unregister actions seem to be initiated by the kernel to
> > > > > > garbage collect unused tables that are not initiated by any
> > > > > > userspace actions.  It was found to be necessary to add the subject
> > > > > > credentials to cover this case to reveal the source of these
> > > > > > actions.  A sample record:
> > > > > >   type=NETFILTER_CFG msg=audit(2020-03-11 21:25:21.491:269) :
> > > > > >   table=nat family=bridge entries=0 op=unregister pid=153 uid=root
> > > > > >   auid=unset tty=(none) ses=unset
> > > > > >   subj=system_u:system_r:kernel_t:s0 comm=kworker/u4:2 exe=(null)
> 
> If this is the kernel, why is pid not 0? And if pid is 0, then isn't 
> exe=/boot/vmlinuz-X.Y.Z-blah?

It isn't PID 0 because it is a kernel thread.

> > > > > Given the precedent set by bpf unload, I'd really rather drop this
> > > > > patch that adds subject credentials.
> 
> <snip> 
> 
> > I'm in the middle of building patches 1/3 and 2/3, assuming all goes
> > well I'll merge them into audit/next (expect mail soon), however I'm
> > going back and forth on this patch.  Like you I kinda don't like it,
> > and with both of us not in love with this patch I have to ask if there
> > is certification requirement for this?
> 
> Yes, any change to information flow must be auditable.
> 
> > I know about the generic
> > subj/obj requirements, but in the case where there is no associated
> > task/syscall/etc. information it isn't like the extra fields supplied
> > in this patch are going to have much information in that regard; it's
> > really the *absence* of that information which is telling.
> 
> Exactly. But if someone does a search based on the fields, they need to be 
> able to find this record. For example, suppose I want to know what actions 
> have been performed by kernel_t, I can run a  search and find this event. 
> 
> > Which brings me to wonder if simply the lack of any associated records in
> > this event is enough?  Before when we weren't associating records into
> > a single event it would have been a problem, but the way things
> > currently are, if there are no other records (and you have configured
> > that) then I think you have everything you need to know.
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> 
> You can't search on the absense of information. There are some fields that 
> have meaning. It's OK if they are unset. It happens for daemons, too. But we 
> don't remove the fields because of it. It tells part of the story.
> 
> -Steve
> 
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