Message-ID: <20200430070903.GA31302@yilunxu-OptiPlex-7050>
Date:   Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:09:03 +0800
From:   Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@...el.com>
To:     Moritz Fischer <mdf@...nel.org>
Cc:     matthew.gerlach@...ux.intel.com, linux-fpga@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: How to update a piece of flash for FPGA firmware?

Hi Moritz & Matthew:

Thanks a lot for the comments! It helps a lot so we could keep working on
right direction. 

For "next boot" or "rescan" case, it cause rebuild the fpga-region. So
maybe we don't have to model it in fpga class.

Yilun

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 08:12:10PM -0700, Moritz Fischer wrote:
> Hi Matthew, Yilun
> 
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 03:06:07PM -0700, matthew.gerlach@...ux.intel.com wrote:
> > Hi Yilun,
> > 
> > You raise some very interesting questions. Please see
> > my comments below.
> > 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > On Tue, 28 Apr 2020, Xu Yilun wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I wonder if an updating of FPGA Flash (but cannot reload) could be
> > > implemented as fpga-mgr?
> > > 
> > > I have the pcie based FPGA card. The bitstream for FPGA static region is
> > > stored on flash chip. Board will load the bitstream to FPGA on system
> > > power cycle. The flash chip could be accessed through "PCIE -> ... ->
> > > Flash update engine -> Flash". So the update of the FPGA static region is
> > > basicly updating the flash chip through PCIE and rebooting system.
> > 
> > I think you mean power cycle when you say "rebooting system" above, but
> > your point is worth highlighting.  During this flash update the
> > FPGA is actually fully configured and running its application.  Typically,
> > during a fpga-mgr update of the static region or partial reconfiguration
> > region, the actual contents of the fpga region is "changing" during the
> > update.
> 
> Yeah, this sounds more like a flash driver with MTD or maybe NVMEM?
> That's probably how I'd do it. Depending on your (Q)SPI controller you
> might already have a driver for that, and you'd just have to instantiate
> it as a sub-device.
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Should I implement the flash update engine as a fpga-mgr device? On one
> > > hand it is just a flash write, FPGA functionality is actually not
> > > changed before reboot. Does fpga-mgr requires bitstream takes function
> > > immediately after write_complete()? On the other hand, the flash write
> > > do affects FPGA static region on next boot. Operating on the
> > > corresponding fpga region makes kernel fully aware of what is being
> > > done.
> > 
> > When an fpga-mgr is used in a device tree overlay flow, one gains
> > the benefit the enumeration of the nodes in the overlay after the
> > update has completed.
> 
> I'm not sure how to model 'on next reboot' part.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Actually the FPGA card do has the capability to reload bitstream at
> > > runtime. But it will cause the whole PCIE device lost, static region is
> > > also destroyed. We need to rescan PCI to get it back. So I think
> > > basically this is the same case as system reboot from FPGA's
> > > perspective.
> > 
> > Yes, on those cards that have the ability to power cycle themselves (i.e.
> > fully reconfigure the FPGA from flash), the PCIe connection to the card
> > is broken because of a surprise link down PCIe error.  As you say a PCI
> > rescan (i.e. re-enumeration of the entire card) is required.  Since
> > the card has to be re-scanned at the PCI level anyway, there may not be much
> > benefit to using the fpga-mgr in this flow.
> 
> Agreed.
> > 
> > I wonder if these kinds of more disruptive updates are better suited to
> > something firmware updates rather than fpga updates?
> 
> Yeah.
> 
> Cheers,
> Moritz

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