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Date:   Fri, 1 May 2020 19:52:35 +0900
From:   Joonsoo Kim <js1304@...il.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/10] change the implementation of the PageHighMem()

2020년 4월 30일 (목) 오전 10:47, Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>님이 작성:
>
> On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 12:26:33 +0900 js1304@...il.com wrote:
>
> > From: Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@....com>
> >
> > Changes on v2
> > - add "acked-by", "reviewed-by" tags
> > - replace PageHighMem() with use open-code, instead of using
> > new PageHighMemZone() macro. Related file is "include/linux/migrate.h"
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > This patchset separates two use cases of PageHighMem() by introducing
> > PageHighMemZone() macro. And, it changes the implementation of
> > PageHighMem() to reflect the actual meaning of this macro. This patchset
> > is a preparation step for the patchset,
> > "mm/cma: manage the memory of the CMA area by using the ZONE_MOVABLE" [1].
> >
> > PageHighMem() is used for two different cases. One is to check if there
> > is a direct mapping for this page or not. The other is to check the
> > zone of this page, that is, weather it is the highmem type zone or not.
> >
> > Until now, both the cases are the perfectly same thing. So, implementation
> > of the PageHighMem() uses the one case that checks if the zone of the page
> > is the highmem type zone or not.
> >
> > "#define PageHighMem(__p) is_highmem_idx(page_zonenum(__p))"
> >
> > ZONE_MOVABLE is special. It is considered as normal type zone on
> > !CONFIG_HIGHMEM, but, it is considered as highmem type zone
> > on CONFIG_HIGHMEM. Let's focus on later case. In later case, all pages
> > on the ZONE_MOVABLE has no direct mapping until now.
> >
> > However, following patchset
> > "mm/cma: manage the memory of the CMA area by using the ZONE_MOVABLE"
> > , which is once merged and reverted, will be tried again and will break
> > this assumption that all pages on the ZONE_MOVABLE has no direct mapping.
> > Hence, the ZONE_MOVABLE which is considered as highmem type zone could
> > have the both types of pages, direct mapped and not. Since
> > the ZONE_MOVABLE could have both type of pages, __GFP_HIGHMEM is still
> > required to allocate the memory from it. And, we conservatively need to
> > consider the ZONE_MOVABLE as highmem type zone.
> >
> > Even in this situation, PageHighMem() for the pages on the ZONE_MOVABLE
> > when it is called for checking the direct mapping should return correct
> > result. Current implementation of PageHighMem() just returns TRUE
> > if the zone of the page is on a highmem type zone. So, it could be wrong
> > if the page on the MOVABLE_ZONE is actually direct mapped.
> >
> > To solve this potential problem, this patch introduces a new
> > PageHighMemZone() macro. In following patches, two use cases of
> > PageHighMem() are separated by calling proper macro, PageHighMem() and
> > PageHighMemZone(). Then, implementation of PageHighMem() will be changed
> > as just checking if the direct mapping exists or not, regardless of
> > the zone of the page.
> >
> > Note that there are some rules to determine the proper macro.
> >
> > 1. If PageHighMem() is called for checking if the direct mapping exists
> > or not, use PageHighMem().
> > 2. If PageHighMem() is used to predict the previous gfp_flags for
> > this page, use PageHighMemZone(). The zone of the page is related to
> > the gfp_flags.
> > 3. If purpose of calling PageHighMem() is to count highmem page and
> > to interact with the system by using this count, use PageHighMemZone().
> > This counter is usually used to calculate the available memory for an
> > kernel allocation and pages on the highmem zone cannot be available
> > for an kernel allocation.
> > 4. Otherwise, use PageHighMemZone(). It's safe since it's implementation
> > is just copy of the previous PageHighMem() implementation and won't
> > be changed.
>
> hm, this won't improve maintainability :(
>
> - Everyone will need to remember when to use PageHighMem() and when
>   to use PageHighMemZone().  If they get it wrong, they're unlikely to
>   notice any problem in their runtime testing, correct?
>
> - New code will pop up which gets it wrong and nobody will notice for
>   a long time.

Hmm... I think that it's not that hard to decide correct macro. If we rename
PageHighMem() with PageDirectMapped(), they, PageDirectMapped() and
PageHighMemZone(), are self-explanation macro. There would be no
confusion to use.

> So I guess we need to be pretty confident that the series "mm/cma:
> manage the memory of the CMA area by using the ZONE_MOVABLE" will be
> useful and merged before proceeding with this, yes?

Yes and my assumption is that we (MM) have agreed with usefulness of
CMA series.

> On the other hand, this whole series is a no-op until [10/10]
> (correct?) so it can be effectively reverted with a single line change,

Correct!

> with later cleanups which revert the other 9 patches.
>
> So I think I'd like to take another look at "mm/cma: manage the memory
> of the CMA area by using the ZONE_MOVABLE" before figuring out what to
> do here.  Mainly to answer the question "is the new feature valuable
> enough to justify the maintainability impact".  So please do take some
> care in explaining the end-user benefit when preparing the new version
> of that patchset.

So, do you mean to send the new version of CMA patchset with more
explanation before merging this patchset? If yes, I can do. But, I'm not sure
that it's worth doing. Problems of CMA are still not solved although
the utilization problem will be partially solved by Roman's "mm,page_alloc,cma:
conditionally prefer cma pageblocks for movable allocations" patch
in this (v5.7) release. Rationale that we agree with CMA patchset is still
remained.

Anyway, if you mean that, I will send the CMA patchset with more explanation.

Thanks.

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