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Date:   Sun, 03 May 2020 14:52:05 +0200
From:   Paul Cercueil <paul@...pouillou.net>
To:     "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@...delico.com>
Cc:     David Airlie <airlied@...ux.ie>, Daniel Vetter <daniel@...ll.ch>,
        Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org>,
        Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>,
        Benoît Cousson <bcousson@...libre.com>,
        Tony Lindgren <tony@...mide.com>,
        Ralf Baechle <ralf@...ux-mips.org>,
        Paul Burton <paulburton@...nel.org>,
        James Hogan <jhogan@...nel.org>, Kukjin Kim <kgene@...nel.org>,
        Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@...nel.org>,
        Maxime Ripard <mripard@...nel.org>,
        Chen-Yu Tsai <wens@...e.org>,
        Thomas Bogendoerfer <tsbogend@...ha.franken.de>,
        Jonathan Bakker <xc-racer2@...e.ca>,
        Philipp Rossak <embed3d@...il.com>,
        dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org, devicetree@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-omap@...r.kernel.org,
        openpvrsgx-devgroup@...ux.org, letux-kernel@...nphoenux.org,
        kernel@...a-handheld.com, linux-mips@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org,
        linux-samsung-soc@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 01/12] dt-bindings: add img,pvrsgx.yaml for Imagination
 GPUs

Hi Nikolaus,

Le sam. 2 mai 2020 à 22:26, H. Nikolaus Schaller <hns@...delico.com> a 
écrit :
> Hi Paul,
> 
>>  Am 26.04.2020 um 15:11 schrieb Paul Cercueil <paul@...pouillou.net>:
>> 
>>  Hi Nikolaus,
>> 
>>  Le ven. 24 avril 2020 à 22:34, H. Nikolaus Schaller 
>> <hns@...delico.com> a écrit :
>>>  The Imagination PVR/SGX GPU is part of several SoC from
>>>  multiple vendors, e.g. TI OMAP, Ingenic JZ4780, Intel Poulsbo,
>>>  Allwinner A83 and others.
>>>  With this binding, we describe how the SGX processor is
>>>  interfaced to the SoC (registers and interrupt).
>>>  The interface also consists of clocks, reset, power but
>>>  information from data sheets is vague and some SoC integrators
>>>  (TI) deciced to use a PRCM wrapper (ti,sysc) which does
>>>  all clock, reset and power-management through registers
>>>  outside of the sgx register block.
>>>  Therefore all these properties are optional.
>>>  Tested by make dt_binding_check
>>>  Signed-off-by: H. Nikolaus Schaller <hns@...delico.com>
>>>  ---
>>>  .../devicetree/bindings/gpu/img,pvrsgx.yaml   | 150 
>>> ++++++++++++++++++
>>>  1 file changed, 150 insertions(+)
>>>  create mode 100644 
>>> Documentation/devicetree/bindings/gpu/img,pvrsgx.yaml
>>>  diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/gpu/img,pvrsgx.yaml 
>>> b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/gpu/img,pvrsgx.yaml
>>>  new file mode 100644
>>>  index 000000000000..33a9c4c6e784
>>>  --- /dev/null
>>>  +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/gpu/img,pvrsgx.yaml
>>>  @@ -0,0 +1,150 @@
>>>  +# SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0-only OR BSD-2-Clause
>>>  +%YAML 1.2
>>>  +---
>>>  +$id: http://devicetree.org/schemas/gpu/img,pvrsgx.yaml#
>>>  +$schema: http://devicetree.org/meta-schemas/core.yaml#
>>>  +
>>>  +title: Imagination PVR/SGX GPU
>>>  +
>>>  +maintainers:
>>>  +  - H. Nikolaus Schaller <hns@...delico.com>
>>>  +
>>>  +description: |+
>>>  +  This binding describes the Imagination SGX5 series of 3D 
>>> accelerators which
>>>  +  are found in several different SoC like TI OMAP, Sitara, 
>>> Ingenic JZ4780,
>>>  +  Allwinner A83, and Intel Poulsbo and CedarView and more.
>>>  +
>>>  +  For an extensive list see: 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR#Implementations
>>>  +
>>>  +  The SGX node is usually a child node of some DT node belonging 
>>> to the SoC
>>>  +  which handles clocks, reset and general address space mapping 
>>> of the SGX
>>>  +  register area. If not, an optional clock can be specified here.
>>>  +
>>>  +properties:
>>>  +  $nodename:
>>>  +    pattern: '^gpu@[a-f0-9]+$'
>>>  +  compatible:
>>>  +    oneOf:
>>>  +      - description: SGX530-121 based SoC
>>>  +        items:
>>>  +          - enum:
>>>  +            - ti,omap3-sgx530-121 # BeagleBoard A/B/C, 
>>> OpenPandora 600MHz and similar
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx530-121
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx530
>>>  +
>>>  +      - description: SGX530-125 based SoC
>>>  +        items:
>>>  +          - enum:
>>>  +            - ti,am3352-sgx530-125 # BeagleBone Black
>>>  +            - ti,am3517-sgx530-125
>>>  +            - ti,am4-sgx530-125
>>>  +            - ti,omap3-sgx530-125 # BeagleBoard XM, GTA04, 
>>> OpenPandora 1GHz and similar
>>>  +            - ti,ti81xx-sgx530-125
>>>  +          - const: ti,omap3-sgx530-125
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx530-125
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx530
>>>  +
>>>  +      - description: SGX535-116 based SoC
>>>  +        items:
>>>  +          - const: intel,poulsbo-gma500-sgx535 # Atom Z5xx
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx535-116
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx535
>>>  +
>>>  +      - description: SGX540-116 based SoC
>>>  +        items:
>>>  +          - const: intel,medfield-gma-sgx540 # Atom Z24xx
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx540-116
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx540
>>>  +
>>>  +      - description: SGX540-120 based SoC
>>>  +        items:
>>>  +          - enum:
>>>  +            - samsung,s5pv210-sgx540-120
>>>  +            - ti,omap4-sgx540-120 # Pandaboard, Pandaboard ES and 
>>> similar
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx540-120
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx540
>>>  +
>>>  +      - description: SGX540-130 based SoC
>>>  +        items:
>>>  +          - enum:
>>>  +            - ingenic,jz4780-sgx540-130 # CI20
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx540-130
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx540
>>>  +
>>>  +      - description: SGX544-112 based SoC
>>>  +        items:
>>>  +          - const: ti,omap4470-sgx544-112
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx544-112
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx544
>>>  +
>>>  +      - description: SGX544-115 based SoC
>>>  +        items:
>>>  +          - enum:
>>>  +            - allwinner,sun8i-a31-sgx544-115
>>>  +            - allwinner,sun8i-a31s-sgx544-115
>>>  +            - allwinner,sun8i-a83t-sgx544-115 # Banana-Pi-M3 
>>> (Allwinner A83T) and similar
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx544-115
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx544
>>>  +
>>>  +      - description: SGX544-116 based SoC
>>>  +        items:
>>>  +          - enum:
>>>  +            - ti,dra7-sgx544-116 # DRA7
>>>  +            - ti,omap5-sgx544-116 # OMAP5 UEVM, Pyra Handheld and 
>>> similar
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx544-116
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx544
>>>  +
>>>  +      - description: SGX545 based SoC
>>>  +        items:
>>>  +          - const: intel,cedarview-gma3600-sgx545 # Atom N2600, 
>>> D2500
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx545-116
>>>  +          - const: img,sgx545
>>>  +
>>>  +  reg:
>>>  +    maxItems: 1
>>>  +
>>>  +  interrupts:
>>>  +    maxItems: 1
>>>  +
>>>  +  interrupt-names:
>>>  +    maxItems: 1
>>>  +    items:
>>>  +      - const: sgx
>>>  +
>>>  +  clocks:
>>>  +    maxItems: 4
>>>  +
>>>  +  clock-names:
>>>  +    maxItems: 4
>>>  +    items:
>>>  +      - const: core
>>>  +      - const: sys
>>>  +      - const: mem
>>>  +      - const: hyd
>>>  +
>>>  +  sgx-supply: true
>>>  +
>>>  +  power-domains:
>>>  +    maxItems: 1
>>>  +
>>>  +  resets:
>>>  +    maxItems: 1
>>>  +
>>>  +required:
>>>  +  - compatible
>>>  +  - reg
>>>  +  - interrupts
>> 
>>  By not making 'clocks' required you make it possible to create 
>> broken bindings; according to your schema, a GPU node without a 
>> 'clocks' for the JZ4780 would be perfectly valid.
> 
> Yes. But it will never pass a test with real hardware. So it can't be 
> omitted anyways.
> 
> On a more general thought, this argument holds for any optional 
> property. So it is not specific to clocks. Since the reg address 
> values are also never specified you can still create broken bindings. 
> Or by connecting the wrong clock. So the ways to create broken 
> bindings are numerous.
> 
> I also assume that SGX integrators are not beginners and do you think 
> they need to find out through a make dt_binding_check dtbs_check that 
> they should define a clock? based on *assumptions* we do without 
> having access to all systems?
> 
> IMHO the bindings documentation is a documentation. So it needs to be 
> helpful but not perfect. Formalizing all corner cases in a bindings 
> document (just because we can since .yaml was introduced) is IMHO 
> overkill.
> 
> In times before the introduction of more formal .yaml I think we 
> would not even have considered this for a comment in the bindings.txt.
> 
>>  It's possible to forbid the presence of the 'clocks' property on 
>> some implementations, and require it on others.
> 
> To be precise we have to specify the exact number of clocks (between 
> 0 and 4) for every architecture.
> 
> This also contradicts my dream to get rid of the architecture 
> specific components in the long run. My dream (because I can't tell 
> how it can be done) is that we can one day develop something which 
> just needs compatible = img,530 or imp,540 or img,544. Then we can't 
> make the number clocks depend on the implementation any more.

As we said before, the number of clocks is a property of the GPU and 
*not* its integration into the SoC.

So you would *not* have a number of clocks between 0 and 4. You get 
either 0, or 4, depending on whether or not you have a wrapper.


>>  See how it's done for instance on 
>> Documentation/devicetree/bindings/serial/samsung_uart.yaml.
> 
> Yes I know the design pattern, but I wonder if such a move makes the 
> whole thing even less maintainable.
> 
> Assume we have finished DTS for some SoC. Then these DTS have been 
> tested on real hardware and are working. Clocks are there where 
> needed and missing where not. We may now forbid or not forbid them 
> for some implementations in the bindings.yaml but the result of 
> dtbs_check won't change! Because they are tested and working and the 
> bindings.yaml has been adapted to the result. So we have just 
> duplicated something for no practical benefit.
> 
> Next, assume there is coming support for more and more new SoC. Then, 
> developers not only have to figure out which clocks they need in the 
> DTS but they also have to add a patch to the implementation specific 
> part of the bindings.yaml to clearly define exactly the same what 
> they already have written into their .dts (the clocks are either 
> there for the of_node or they are not). So again the rules are for no 
> benefit, since a new SoC is introduced exactly once. And tested if it 
> works. And if it is there, it will stay as it is. It is just work for 
> maintainers to review that patch as well.

If you add support for a new SoC, you'd still need to modify the 
binding to add the compatible string. So the argument of "more work" is 
moot.

-Paul

> It boils down to the question if we need to formalize the rule how a 
> working DTS was derived. Or just have a working DTS and not formalize 
> everything.
> 
> So IMHO carrying along such a detail (forbid clocks on some 
> architectures) is nice to have (and fun to learn the .yaml thing) but 
> not of benefit for anyone. Not for the DTS developer nor for the 
> maintainers nor for the users of a Linux kernel. "Keep it simple" is 
> always a good rule for maintainability.
> 
> In summary I don't see a good reason to follow this in v8. But you 
> could add it by a separate patch later if the DTS have been reviewed 
> and agreed.
> 
> BR and thanks,
> Nikolaus
> 


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