linux-kernel - Re: [RFC v4 01/12] kthread: Add kthread_queue_flush

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <CAKMK7uFDp_9SWUtMOfKaSLu3FNq5w=HWDo9FOeRsD204eR327g@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Mon, 11 May 2020 17:02:58 +0200
From:   Daniel Vetter <daniel@...ll.ch>
To:     Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>
Cc:     Lyude Paul <lyude@...hat.com>,
        Nouveau Dev <nouveau@...ts.freedesktop.org>,
        dri-devel <dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Ville Syrjälä <ville.syrjala@...ux.intel.com>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@...gle.com>,
        Petr Mladek <pmladek@...e.com>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        "Steven Rostedt (VMware)" <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Ben Dooks <ben.dooks@...ethink.co.uk>,
        Liang Chen <cl@...k-chips.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v4 01/12] kthread: Add kthread_queue_flush_work()

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 4:49 PM Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 04:46:51PM -0400, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > +bool kthread_queue_flush_work(struct kthread_work *work,
> > +                           struct kthread_flush_work *fwork);
> > +void __kthread_flush_work_fn(struct kthread_work *work);
>
> As an exposed interface, this doesn't seem great. What the user wants to say
> is "wait for the current instance of this guy" and the interface is asking
> them to queue an extra work item whose queueing return state should be
> checked and depending on that result wait on its internal completion.
>
> I'm skeptical this is a good idea in general given that unless you define
> "this instance" at the time of queueing the work item which is being
> waited-upon, there's no way to guarantee that the instance you're queueing
> the flush work item on is the instance you want unless the queuer is holding
> external synchronization which prevents the instance from running. That's a
> really confusing semantics to expose in the interface.
>
> What the above means is that the ordering that you want is only defined
> through your own locking and that maybe suggests that the sequencing should
> be implemented on that side too. It may be a bit more code but a sequence
> counter + wait queue might be the better solution here.

Aside from this, flush_$stuff interfaces are very easy to deadlock.
That's why e.g. flush_work() for normal workqueues has lockdep
annotations (lockdep doesn't see through wait/wake_up dependencies
without some help because cross-release didn't land for real). So I
think if we need something like this, it needs to be a lot more
explicit, and come with the right lockdep annotations.
-Daniel
-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
+41 (0) 79 365 57 48 - http://blog.ffwll.ch