linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 1/2] hwrng: iproc-rng200

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Message-ID: <dleftjtv0i88ji.fsf%l.stelmach@samsung.com>
Date:   Fri, 15 May 2020 00:18:41 +0200
From:   Lukasz Stelmach <l.stelmach@...sung.com>
To:     Stephan Mueller <smueller@...onox.de>
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        Herbert Xu <herbert@...dor.apana.org.au>,
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        Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <b.zolnierkie@...sung.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] hwrng: iproc-rng200 - Set the quality value

It was <2020-05-14 czw 22:20>, when Stephan Mueller wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 14. Mai 2020, 21:07:33 CEST schrieb Łukasz Stelmach:
>
> Hi Łukasz,
>
>> The value has been estimaded by obtainig 1024 chunks of data 128 bytes
>> (1024 bits) each from the generator and finding chunk with minimal
>> entropy using the ent(1) tool. The value was 6.327820 bits of entropy
>> in each 8 bits of data.
>
> I am not sure we should use the ent tool to define the entropy
> level. Ent seems to use a very coarse entropy estimation.
>
> I would feel more comfortable when using other measures like SP800-90B
> which even provides a tool for the analysis.
>
> I understand that entropy estimates, well, are estimates. But the ent
> data is commonly not very conservative.
>
> [1] https://github.com/usnistgov/SP800-90B_EntropyAssessment

Thank you for pointing this out.

I am running tests using SP800-90B tools and the first issue I can see
is the warning that samples contain less than 1e6 bytes of data. I know
little about maths behind random number generators, but I have noticed
that the bigger chunk of data from an RNG I feed into either ent or ea_iid
the higher entropy they report. That is why I divided the data into 1024
bit chunks in the first place. To get worse results. With ea_iid they
get even worse (128 bytes of random data)


    Calculating baseline statistics...
    H_original: 4.107376
    H_bitstring: 0.795122
    min(H_original, 8 X H_bitstring): 4.107376

but I don't know how much I can trust it, when I get such warning

    *** Warning: data contains less than 1000000 samples ***

ea_non_iid refuses to run tests with less than 4096 bytes of input.

I may suspect that lack of any warnings from ent doesn't make its
results any more reliable.

Anyway. I collected 1024 files 1024 bits each once again and ran the
following tests

    for f in exynos-trng/random*; do ./ea_iid "$f" | grep ^min; done |  sort | head -1
    for f in rng200/random*; do ./ea_iid "$f" | grep ^min; done | sort | head -1

For both RNGs I got the same

    min(H_original, 8 X H_bitstring): 3.393082

which, if I understand correctly, means I should set quality to no more
than 434. Do you think 400 is OK?

Kind regards,
-- 
Łukasz Stelmach
Samsung R&D Institute Poland
Samsung Electronics

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