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Message-ID: <202005191052.0A6B1D5843@keescook>
Date:   Tue, 19 May 2020 10:56:08 -0700
From:   Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
To:     "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>
Cc:     Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@...ove.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
        Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@...il.com>,
        Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@...gle.com>,
        linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org, linux-api@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Relocate execve() sanity checks

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 12:41:27PM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org> writes:
> > and given the LSM hooks, I think the noexec check is too late as well.
> > (This is especially true for the coming O_MAYEXEC series, which will
> > absolutely need those tests earlier as well[1] -- the permission checking
> > is then in the correct place: during open, not exec.) I think the only
> > question is about leaving the redundant checks in fs/exec.c, which I
> > think are a cheap way to retain a sense of robustness.
> 
> The trouble is when someone passes through changes one of the permission
> checks for whatever reason (misses that they are duplicated in another
> location) and things then fail in some very unexpected way.

Do you think this series should drop the "late" checks in fs/exec.c?
Honestly, the largest motivation for me to move the checks earlier as
I've done is so that other things besides execve() can use FMODE_EXEC
during open() and receive the same sanity-checking as execve() (i.e the
O_MAYEXEC series -- the details are still under discussion but this
cleanup will be needed regardless).

-- 
Kees Cook

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