linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v10 1/5] usb: xhci: Change the XHCI link order in the Makefile

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Date:   Wed, 20 May 2020 13:29:45 -0400
From:   Alan Cooper <alcooperx@...il.com>
To:     Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>
Cc:     Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        ": Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@...il.com>,
        DTML <devicetree@...r.kernel.org>,
        Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@...nel.org>,
        USB list <linux-usb@...r.kernel.org>,
        Mathias Nyman <mathias.nyman@...el.com>,
        Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org>,
        Yoshihiro Shimoda <yoshihiro.shimoda.uh@...esas.com>,
        Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@...ux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 1/5] usb: xhci: Change the XHCI link order in the Makefile

Greg, Alan,

The other 4 related patches were accepted into usb-next and I just
realized that this one didn't make it. This patch will not fix the
"insmod out of order" issue, but will help our controllers work with
some poorly behaved USB devices when the drivers are builtin.

Thanks
Al

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 3:42 PM Alan Cooper <alcooperx@...il.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 1:46 PM Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/13/2020 10:39 AM, Alan Stern wrote:
> > > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 07:05:05PM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > >> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 09:31:11AM -0700, Florian Fainelli wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 5/13/2020 9:27 AM, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > >>>> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 08:08:07AM -0700, Florian Fainelli wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 5/13/2020 5:26 AM, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:00:15AM -0400, Al Cooper wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Some BRCMSTB USB chips have an XHCI, EHCI and OHCI controller
> > >>>>>>> on the same port where XHCI handles 3.0 devices, EHCI handles 2.0
> > >>>>>>> devices and OHCI handles <2.0 devices. Currently the Makefile
> > >>>>>>> has XHCI linking at the bottom which will result in the XHIC driver
> > >>>>>>> initalizing after the EHCI and OHCI drivers and any installed 3.0
> > >>>>>>> device will be seen as a 2.0 device. Moving the XHCI linking
> > >>>>>>> above the EHCI and OHCI linking fixes the issue.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> What happens if all of these are modules and they are loaded in a
> > >>>>>> different order?  This makefile change will not help with that, you need
> > >>>>>> to have logic in the code in order to properly coordinate this type of
> > >>>>>> mess, sorry.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I believe we should be using module soft dependencies to instruct the
> > >>>>> module loaders to load the modules in the correct order, so something
> > >>>>> like this would do (not tested) for xhci-plat-hcd.c:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> MODULE_SOFTDEP("post: ehci-hcd ohci-hcd");
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> and I am not sure whether we need to add the opposite for ehci-hcd and
> > >>>>> ohci-hcd:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> MODULE_SOFTDEP("pre: xhci-plat-hcd");
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That's a nice start, but what happens if that isn't honored?  This
> > >>>> really needs to work properly for any order as you never can guarantee
> > >>>> module/driver loading order in a system of modules.
> > >>>
> > >>> I also suggested that device links may help, though I am not sure. What
> > >>> do you suggest to be done?
> > >>
> > >> No idea.  device links will help if you defer the probe properly until
> > >> you see the proper drivers binding correctly.
> > >
> > > I suspect that in general there is no way to do this properly.
> > >
> > > We can't modify ehci-hcd and ohci-hcd to make them wait.  In fact, for
> > > all they know, xhci-hcd will _never_ be loaded.
> > >
> > > One thing that might be possible (although not all platforms may support
> > > it) is if xhci-hcd could somehow disconnect all devices attached to a
> > > peer port when it starts up.  But that would be disruptive to any
> > > devices that aren't USB-3.
> > >
> > > We faced a very similar ordering problem between ehci-hcd and
> > > [ou]hci-hcd many years ago, and we never found a good solution.
> > > We did arrange the link order so that ehci-hcd precedes the others, and
> > > we added a warning message to ehci-hcd which gets printed if the module
> > > initialization routine runs after [ou]hci-hcd is loaded.  Also, there
> > > are MODULE_SOFTDEP lines in ohci-pci.c and uhci-pci.c.
> >
> > Given that these modules are used on specific SoC platforms, where we
> > usually provide a reference implementation of user space and kernel
> > space and documentation, it seems to me that the MODULE_SOFTDEP(),
> > despite being a hint and best effort from user space module loaders is
> > probably acceptable.
> > --
> > Florian
>
> What I found in the past is that things work. For example if the ehci
> driver starts first, the USB device will come up as a 2.0 device and
> when the XHCI driver comes up the device will switch to 3.0. I've see
> the same thing happen if OHCI starts before EHCI. It's just that there
> are some poorly behaved USB devices that have trouble with this.
>
> Al