linux-kernel - Re: arm64: Register modification during syscall entry/exit stop

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Date:   Wed, 20 May 2020 18:41:50 +0100
From:   Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>
To:     Keno Fischer <keno@...iacomputing.com>
Cc:     linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org,
        Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
        Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Kyle Huey <khuey@...nos.co>
Subject: Re: arm64: Register modification during syscall entry/exit stop

Hi Keno,

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 04:37:34AM -0400, Keno Fischer wrote:
> > Yes, we inherited this from ARM and I think strace relies on it. In
> > hindsight, it is a little odd, although x7 is a parameter register in the
> > PCS and so it won't be live on entry to a system call.
> 
> I'm not familiar with the PCS acronym, but I assume you mean the
> calling convention? You have more faith in userspace than I do ;). For
> example, cursory googling brought up this arm64 syscall definition in musl:
> 
> https://github.com/bminor/musl/blob/593caa456309714402ca4cb77c3770f4c24da9da/arch/aarch64/syscall_arch.h

Hmm, does that actually result in the SVC instruction getting inlined? I
think that's quite dangerous, since we document that we can trash the SVE
register state on a system call, for example. I'm also surprised that
the register variables are honoured by compilers if that inlining can occur.

> The constraints on those asm blocks allow the compiler to assume that
> x7 is preserved across the syscall. If a ptracer accidentally modified it
> (which is easy to do in the situations that I mentioned), it could
> absolutely cause incorrect execution of the userspace program.
> 
> > Although the examples you've
> > listed above are interesting, I don't see why x7 is important in any of
> > them (and we only support up to 6 system call arguments).
> 
> It's not so much that x7 is important, it's that lying to the ptracer is
> problematic, because it might remember that lie and act on it later.
> I did run into exactly this problem, where my ptracer accidentally
> changed the value of x7 and caused incorrect execution in the tracee
> (now that incorrect execution happened to be an assertion, because
> my application is paranoid about these kinds of issues, but it was
> incorrect nevertheless)
> 
> If it would be helpful, I can code up the syscall entry -> signal trap example
> ptracer to have a concrete example.

I guess I'm more interested in situations where the compiler thinks x7 is
live, yet we clobber it.

Will