Message-ID: <20200529030728.GW2869@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72>
Date:   Thu, 28 May 2020 20:07:28 -0700
From:   "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...nel.org>
To:     Ming Lei <ming.lei@...hat.com>
Cc:     Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@....org>,
        Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>, linux-block@...r.kernel.org,
        John Garry <john.garry@...wei.com>,
        Hannes Reinecke <hare@...e.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/8] blk-mq: drain I/O when all CPUs in a hctx are offline

On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 09:53:04AM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> 
> Thanks for your response!
> 
> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 10:21:21AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 06:37:47AM -0700, Bart Van Assche wrote:
> > > On 2020-05-27 22:19, Ming Lei wrote:
> > > > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 08:33:48PM -0700, Bart Van Assche wrote:
> > > >> My understanding is that operations that have acquire semantics pair
> > > >> with operations that have release semantics. I haven't been able to find
> > > >> any documentation that shows that smp_mb__after_atomic() has release
> > > >> semantics. So I looked up its definition. This is what I found:
> > > >>
> > > >> $ git grep -nH 'define __smp_mb__after_atomic'
> > > >> arch/ia64/include/asm/barrier.h:49:#define __smp_mb__after_atomic()
> > > >> barrier()
> > > >> arch/mips/include/asm/barrier.h:133:#define __smp_mb__after_atomic()
> > > >> smp_llsc_mb()
> > > >> arch/s390/include/asm/barrier.h:50:#define __smp_mb__after_atomic()
> > > >> barrier()
> > > >> arch/sparc/include/asm/barrier_64.h:57:#define __smp_mb__after_atomic()
> > > >> barrier()
> > > >> arch/x86/include/asm/barrier.h:83:#define __smp_mb__after_atomic()	do {
> > > >> } while (0)
> > > >> arch/xtensa/include/asm/barrier.h:20:#define __smp_mb__after_atomic()	
> > > >> barrier()
> > > >> include/asm-generic/barrier.h:116:#define __smp_mb__after_atomic()
> > > >> __smp_mb()
> > > >>
> > > >> My interpretation of the above is that not all smp_mb__after_atomic()
> > > >> implementations have release semantics. Do you agree with this conclusion?
> > > > 
> > > > I understand smp_mb__after_atomic() orders set_bit(BLK_MQ_S_INACTIVE)
> > > > and reading the tag bit which is done in blk_mq_all_tag_iter().
> > > > 
> > > > So the two pair of OPs are ordered:
> > > > 
> > > > 1) if one request(tag bit) is allocated before setting BLK_MQ_S_INACTIVE,
> > > > the tag bit will be observed in blk_mq_all_tag_iter() from blk_mq_hctx_has_requests(),
> > > > so the request will be drained.
> > > > 
> > > > OR
> > > > 
> > > > 2) if one request(tag bit) is allocated after setting BLK_MQ_S_INACTIVE,
> > > > the request(tag bit) will be released and retried on another CPU
> > > > finally, see __blk_mq_alloc_request().
> > > > 
> > > > Cc Paul and linux-kernel list.
> > > 
> > > I do not agree with the above conclusion. My understanding of
> > > acquire/release labels is that if the following holds:
> > > (1) A store operation that stores the value V into memory location M has
> > > a release label.
> > > (2) A load operation that reads memory location M has an acquire label.
> > > (3) The load operation (2) retrieves the value V that was stored by (1).
> > > 
> > > that the following ordering property holds: all load and store
> > > instructions that happened before the store instruction (1) in program
> > > order are guaranteed to happen before the load and store instructions
> > > that follow (2) in program order.
> > > 
> > > In the ARM manual these semantics have been described as follows: "A
> > > Store-Release instruction is multicopy atomic when observed with a
> > > Load-Acquire instruction".
> > > 
> > > In this case the load-acquire operation is the
> > > "test_and_set_bit_lock(nr, word)" statement from the sbitmap code. That
> > > code is executed indirectly by blk_mq_get_tag(). Since there is no
> > > matching store-release instruction in __blk_mq_alloc_request() for
> > > 'word', ordering of the &data->hctx->state and 'tag' memory locations is
> > > not guaranteed by the acquire property of the "test_and_set_bit_lock(nr,
> > > word)" statement from the sbitmap code.
> > 
> > I feel like I just parachuted into the middle of the conversation,
> > so let me start by giving a (silly) example illustrating the limits of
> > smp_mb__{before,after}_atomic() that might be tangling things up.
> > 
> > But please please please avoid doing this in real code unless you have
> > an extremely good reason included in a comment.
> > 
> > void t1(void)
> > {
> > 	WRITE_ONCE(a, 1);
> > 	smp_mb__before_atomic();
> > 	WRITE_ONCE(b, 1);  // Just Say No to code here!!!
> > 	atomic_inc(&c);
> > 	WRITE_ONCE(d, 1);  // Just Say No to code here!!!
> > 	smp_mb__after_atomic();
> > 	WRITE_ONCE(e, 1);
> > }
> > 
> > void t2(void)
> > {
> > 	r1 = READ_ONCE(e);
> > 	smp_mb();
> > 	r2 = READ_ONCE(d);
> > 	smp_mb();
> > 	r3 = READ_ONCE(c);
> > 	smp_mb();
> > 	r4 = READ_ONCE(b);
> > 	smp_mb();
> > 	r5 = READ_ONCE(a);
> > }
> > 
> > Each platform must provide strong ordering for either atomic_inc()
> > on the one hand (as ia64 does) or for smp_mb__{before,after}_atomic()
> > on the other (as powerpc does).  Note that both ia64 and powerpc are
> > weakly ordered.
> > 
> > So ia64 could see (r1 == 1 && r2 == 0) on the one hand as well as (r4 ==
> > 1 && r5 == 0).  So clearly smp_mb_{before,after}_atomic() need not have
> > any ordering properties whatsoever.
> > 
> > Similarly, powerpc could see (r3 == 1 && r4 == 0) on the one hand as well
> > as (r2 == 1 && r3 == 0) on the other.  Or even both at the same time.
> > So clearly atomic_inc() need not have any ordering properties whatsoever.
> > 
> > But the combination of smp_mb__before_atomic() and the later atomic_inc()
> > does provide full ordering, so that no architecture can see (r3 == 1 &&
> > r5 == 0), and either of r1 or r2 can be substituted for r3.
> > 
> > Similarly, atomic_inc() and the late4r smp_mb__after_atomic() also
> > provide full ordering, so that no architecture can see (r1 == 1 && r3 ==
> > 0), and either r4 or r5 can be substituted for r3.
> > 
> > 
> > So a call to set_bit() followed by a call to smp_mb__after_atomic() will
> > provide a full memory barrier (implying release semantics) for any write
> > access after the smp_mb__after_atomic() with respect to the set_bit() or
> > any access preceding it.  But the set_bit() by itself won't have release
> > semantics, nor will the smp_mb__after_atomic(), only their combination
> > further combined with some write following the smp_mb__after_atomic().
> > 
> > More generally, there will be the equivalent of smp_mb() somewhere between
> > the set_bit() and every access following the smp_mb__after_atomic().
> > 
> > Does that help, or am I missing the point?
> 
> Yeah, it does help.
> 
> BTW, can we replace the smp_mb__after_atomic() with smp_mb() for
> ordering set_bit() and the memory OP following the smp_mb()?

Placing an smp_mb() between set_bit() and a later access will indeed
order set_bit() with that later access.

That said, I don't know this code well enough to say whether or not
that ordering is sufficient.

						Thanx, Paul

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