linux-kernel - Re: Should SEV-ES #VC use IST? (Re: [PATCH] Allow RDTSC and RDTSCP from userspace)

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Message-ID: <7a7c6e7c-8450-3785-035a-197be9268b70@citrix.com>
Date:   Tue, 23 Jun 2020 19:56:02 +0100
From:   Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@...rix.com>
To:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>
CC:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Joerg Roedel <jroedel@...e.de>, Joerg Roedel <joro@...tes.org>,
        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>,
        "Tom Lendacky" <Thomas.Lendacky@....com>,
        Mike Stunes <mstunes@...are.com>,
        "Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@...el.com>,
        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>,
        "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
        "Juergen Gross" <JGross@...e.com>, Jiri Slaby <jslaby@...e.cz>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
        kvm list <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Thomas Hellstrom <thellstrom@...are.com>,
        Linux Virtualization <virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
        X86 ML <x86@...nel.org>,
        Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@...el.com>
Subject: Re: Should SEV-ES #VC use IST? (Re: [PATCH] Allow RDTSC and RDTSCP
 from userspace)

On 23/06/2020 19:26, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 8:23 AM Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@...rix.com> wrote:
>> On 23/06/2020 14:03, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 02:12:37PM +0200, Joerg Roedel wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 01:50:14PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>>>> If SNP is the sole reason #VC needs to be IST, then I'd strongly urge
>>>>> you to only make it IST if/when you try and make SNP happen, not before.
>>>> It is not the only reason, when ES guests gain debug register support
>>>> then #VC also needs to be IST, because #DB can be promoted into #VC
>>>> then, and as #DB is IST for a reason, #VC needs to be too.
>>> Didn't I read somewhere that that is only so for Rome/Naples but not for
>>> the later chips (Milan) which have #DB pass-through?
>> I don't know about hardware timelines, but some future part can now opt
>> in to having debug registers as part of the encrypted state, and swapped
>> by VMExit, which would make debug facilities generally usable, and
>> supposedly safe to the #DB infinite loop issues, at which point the
>> hypervisor need not intercept #DB for safety reasons.
>>
>> Its worth nothing that on current parts, the hypervisor can set up debug
>> facilities on behalf of the guest (or behind its back) as the DR state
>> is unencrypted, but that attempting to intercept #DB will redirect to
>> #VC inside the guest and cause fun. (Also spare a thought for 32bit
>> kernels which have to cope with userspace singlestepping the SYSENTER
>> path with every #DB turning into #VC.)
> What do you mean 32-bit?  64-bit kernels have exactly the same
> problem.  At least the stack is okay, though.

:)

AMD-like CPUs disallow SYSENTER/SYSEXIT in Long Mode, and raise #UD,
even from a compatibility mode segment.

64bit kernels only have this problem on Intel-like CPUs.

(It is a massive shame that between everyone's attempts, there are 0
"fast system call" instructions with sane semantics, but it is several
decades late to fix this problem...)

~Andrew