linux-kernel - Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

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Message-ID: <20200705121216.2ce2dd46@canb.auug.org.au>
Date:   Sun, 5 Jul 2020 12:12:16 +1000
From:   Stephen Rothwell <sfr@...b.auug.org.au>
To:     Dave Airlie <airlied@...il.com>
Cc:     Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>,
        ksummit <ksummit-discuss@...ts.linuxfoundation.org>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        tech-board-discuss@...ts.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

Hi Dave,

On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 09:34:57 +1000 Dave Airlie <airlied@...il.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 06:45, Stephen Rothwell <sfr@...b.auug.org.au> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 13:02:51 -0700 Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com> wrote:  
> > >
> > > +The Linux kernel is a global software project, and in 2020 there was a
> > > +global reckoning on race relations that caused many organizations to
> > > +re-evaluate their policies and practices relative to the inclusion of
> > > +people of African descent. This document describes why the 'Naming'  
> >
> > I feel a need to point out that racial issues are wider than just
> > people of African descent ...  Also, others have pointed out that
> > slavery is not just restricted to those of African descent.  
> 
> The racial issues are wider than that, and even wider again I'm sure,
> but in 2020 this is as good a place to start as any, and the trigger
> as that sentence says was in 2020, there was a reckoning about it
> mainly due to people of African descent. That trigger has had flow on
> effects in other countries, but I'm not sure that sentence in any way
> diminishes that, it's merely an introduction to why this change is
> happening now.

And reading it again in the (actual) light of day, I see you are right
and I misinterpreted this.

> As for the non-black slavery, others have never pointed this out

(I did not say "non-black")

> before in 30 years of master/slave terminology? surely if white
> slavery was as big a problem, they be as supportive of this, even more

(nor did I say "white slavery")

> so. It speaks volumes that I've never heard white slavery as a problem
> once in 30 years, but now I'm hearing about it a few times, and
> somehow as an excuse not to support this.

I was merely referring to some of the posts in the
users@...ux.kernel.org mailing list.  Also, I made no statement about
my support (or otherwise) for any of this.

-- 
Cheers,
Stephen Rothwell

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