linux-kernel - Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

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Message-ID: <93fc3afb-8c3f-0fb9-3b92-adfb6571e060@linuxfoundation.org>
Date:   Thu, 9 Jul 2020 10:01:18 -0600
From:   Shuah Khan <skhan@...uxfoundation.org>
To:     Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+huawei@...nel.org>,
        Tibor Raschko <tibrasch@...il.com>
Cc:     Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>,
        torvalds@...ux-foundation.org,
        ksummit-discuss@...ts.linuxfoundation.org,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        tech-board-discuss@...ts.linuxfoundation.org,
        Chris Mason <clm@...clm>,
        Shuah Khan <skhan@...uxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle:
 Inclusive Terminology

On 7/9/20 4:43 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> Em Tue, 7 Jul 2020 01:58:21 +0200
> Tibor Raschko <tibrasch@...il.com> escreveu:
> 
>>> Allowlist/denylist terms are intuitive and action based which have a
>>> globally uniform meaning.
>>
>> Nobody has a problem understanding "blacklist" and "whitelist". These
>> are universally understood words even outside of computing. Claiming
>> that we need clearer alternatives is smoke and mirrors.
> 
> Actually, as a non-native English speaker, the first time I saw
> "<color>list", I had to do some research in order to understand what it
> means :-)

Thanks for the perspective. This is why we need clear and uniform words.
Our community is global. English isn't English everywhere either.

> 
> That reminds me: what about "graylist"?
> 
> For coherency, if "blacklist/whitelist" won't be used anymore, an
> alternative to graylist should also be provided.
> 
> Right now, it seems that only ACPI uses it:
> 
> 	$ git grep -i graylist
> 	drivers/clocksource/acpi_pm.c:static void acpi_pm_check_graylist(struct pci_dev *dev)
> 	drivers/clocksource/acpi_pm.c:                  acpi_pm_check_graylist);
> 	drivers/clocksource/acpi_pm.c:                  acpi_pm_check_graylist);
> 

What is "graylist"? Does it mean in between allow/deny?

thanks,
-- Shuah