Date:   Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:30:29 -0600
From:   Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org>
To:     Bjorn Andersson <bjorn.andersson@...aro.org>
Cc:     Jeffrey Hugo <jeffrey.l.hugo@...il.com>,
        Doug Anderson <dianders@...omium.org>,
        freedreno <freedreno@...ts.freedesktop.org>,
        "open list:OPEN FIRMWARE AND FLATTENED DEVICE TREE BINDINGS" 
        <devicetree@...r.kernel.org>, David Airlie <airlied@...ux.ie>,
        linux-arm-msm <linux-arm-msm@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        dri-devel <dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org>,
        Rob Clark <robdclark@...il.com>,
        Andy Gross <agross@...nel.org>,
        Daniel Vetter <daniel@...ll.ch>, Sean Paul <sean@...rly.run>
Subject: Re: [Freedreno] [PATCH 0/9] drm/msm: Avoid possible infinite probe
 deferral and speed booting

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 4:54 PM Bjorn Andersson
<bjorn.andersson@...aro.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue 14 Jul 15:13 PDT 2020, Rob Herring wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:33 AM Jeffrey Hugo <jeffrey.l.hugo@...il.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:50 PM Doug Anderson <dianders@...omium.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:25 PM Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:08 AM Doug Anderson <dianders@...omium.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 7:11 AM Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 5:02 PM Douglas Anderson <dianders@...omium.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I found that if I ever had a little mistake in my kernel config,
> > > > > > > > or device tree, or graphics driver that my system would sit in a loop
> > > > > > > > at bootup trying again and again and again.  An example log was:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why do we care about optimizing the error case?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It actually results in a _fully_ infinite loop.  That is: if anything
> > > > > > small causes a component of DRM to fail to probe then the whole system
> > > > > > doesn't boot because it just loops trying to probe over and over
> > > > > > again.  The messages I put in the commit message are printed over and
> > > > > > over and over again.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds like a bug as that's not what should happen.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you defer during boot (initcalls), then you'll be on the deferred
> > > > > list until late_initcall and everything is retried. After
> > > > > late_initcall, only devices getting added should trigger probing. But
> > > > > maybe the adding and then removing a device is causing a re-trigger.
> > > >
> > > > Right, I'm nearly certain that the adding and then removing is causing
> > > > a re-trigger.  I believe the loop would happen for any case where we
> > > > have a probe function that:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Adds devices.
> > > > 2. After adding devices it decides that it needs to defer.
> > > > 3. Removes the devices it added.
> > > > 4. Return -EPROBE_DEFER from its probe function.
> > > >
> > > > Specifically from what I know about how -EPROBE_DEFER works I'm not
> > > > sure how it wouldn't cause an infinite loop in that case.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps the missing part of my explanation, though, is why it never
> > > > gets out of this infinite loop.  In my case I purposely made the
> > > > bridge chip "ti-sn65dsi86.c" return an error (-EINVAL) in its probe
> > > > every time.  Obviously I wasn't going to get a display up like this,
> > > > but I just wanted to not loop forever at bootup.  I tracked down
> > > > exactly why we get an - EPROBE_DEFER over and over in this case.
> > > >
> > > > You can see it in msm_dsi_host_register().  If some components haven't
> > > > shown up when that function runs it will _always_ return
> > > > -EPROBE_DEFER.
> > > >
> > > > In my case, since I caused the bridge to fail to probe, those
> > > > components will _never_ show up.  That means that
> > > > msm_dsi_host_register() will _always_ return -EPROBE_DEFER.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't dug through all the DRM code enough, but it doesn't
> > > > necessarily seem like the wrong behavior.  If the bridge driver or a
> > > > panel was a module then (presumably) they could show up later and so
> > > > it should be OK for it to defer, right?
> > > >
> > > > So with all that, it doesn't really feel like this is a bug so much as
> > > > it's an unsupported use case.  The current deferral logic simply can't
> > > > handle the case we're throwing at it.  You cannot return -EPROBE_DEFER
> > > > if your probe function adds devices each time through the probe
> > > > function.
> > > >
> > > > Assuming all the above makes sense, that means we're stuck with:
> > > >
> > > > a) This patch series, which makes us not add devices.
> > > >
> > > > b) Some other patch series which rearchitects the MSM graphics stack
> > > > to not return -EPROBE_DEFER in this case.
> > >
> > > This isn't a MSM specific issue.  This is an issue with how the DSI
> > > interface works, and how software is structured in Linux.  I would
> > > expect that pretty much any DSI host in the kernel would have some
> > > version of this issue.
> > >
> > > The problem is that DSI is not "hot pluggable", so to give the DRM
> > > stack the info it needs, we need both the DSI controller (aka the MSM
> > > graphics stack in your case), and the thing it connects to (in your
> > > case, the TI bridge, normally the actual panel) because the DRM stack
> > > expects that if init completes, it has certain information
> > > (resolution, etc), and some of that information is in the DSI
> > > controller, and some of it is on the DSI device.
> >
> > Ah yes, DRM's lack of hot-plug and discrete component support... Is
> > that not improved with some of the bridge rework?
> >
> > Anyways, given there is a child dependency on the parent, I don't
> > think we should work-around DRM deficiencies in DT.
> >
> > BTW, There's also a deferred probe timeout you can use which stops
> > deferring probe some number of seconds after late_initcall.
> >
>
> I don't think we can rely on the deferred probe timeout, given that it
> was reverted back to 0 seconds past late_initcall - which given that
> most of the involved components are modules, means that without the
> opt-in command line option we would likely fail to bring up the display.

I meant just as a way to make progress booting in this case where the
display is never coming up. We're talking only about a better
experience for an error case.

Maybe a simple solution is just having some delay inserted between
delayed probe triggers so progress is made.

Rob

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