Date:   Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:58:41 -0400 (EDT)
From:   Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>
To:     Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@...il.com>, paulmck <paulmck@...nel.org>,
        Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
Cc:     Anton Blanchard <anton@...abs.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
        linux-arch <linux-arch@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-mm <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>, x86 <x86@...nel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/7] x86: use exit_lazy_tlb rather than
 membarrier_mm_sync_core_before_usermode

----- On Jul 16, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Mathieu Desnoyers mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com wrote:

> ----- On Jul 16, 2020, at 11:46 AM, Mathieu Desnoyers
> mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com wrote:
> 
>> ----- On Jul 16, 2020, at 12:42 AM, Nicholas Piggin npiggin@...il.com wrote:
>>> I should be more complete here, especially since I was complaining
>>> about unclear barrier comment :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> CPU0                     CPU1
>>> a. user stuff            1. user stuff
>>> b. membarrier()          2. enter kernel
>>> c. smp_mb()              3. smp_mb__after_spinlock(); // in __schedule
>>> d. read rq->curr         4. rq->curr switched to kthread
>>> e. is kthread, skip IPI  5. switch_to kthread
>>> f. return to user        6. rq->curr switched to user thread
>>> g. user stuff            7. switch_to user thread
>>>                         8. exit kernel
>>>                         9. more user stuff
>>> 
>>> What you're really ordering is a, g vs 1, 9 right?
>>> 
>>> In other words, 9 must see a if it sees g, g must see 1 if it saw 9,
>>> etc.
>>> 
>>> Userspace does not care where the barriers are exactly or what kernel
>>> memory accesses might be being ordered by them, so long as there is a
>>> mb somewhere between a and g, and 1 and 9. Right?
>> 
>> This is correct.
> 
> Actually, sorry, the above is not quite right. It's been a while
> since I looked into the details of membarrier.
> 
> The smp_mb() at the beginning of membarrier() needs to be paired with a
> smp_mb() _after_ rq->curr is switched back to the user thread, so the
> memory barrier is between store to rq->curr and following user-space
> accesses.
> 
> The smp_mb() at the end of membarrier() needs to be paired with the
> smp_mb__after_spinlock() at the beginning of schedule, which is
> between accesses to userspace memory and switching rq->curr to kthread.
> 
> As to *why* this ordering is needed, I'd have to dig through additional
> scenarios from https://lwn.net/Articles/573436/. Or maybe Paul remembers ?

Thinking further about this, I'm beginning to consider that maybe we have been
overly cautious by requiring memory barriers before and after store to rq->curr.

If CPU0 observes a CPU1's rq->curr->mm which differs from its own process (current)
while running the membarrier system call, it necessarily means that CPU1 had
to issue smp_mb__after_spinlock when entering the scheduler, between any user-space
loads/stores and update of rq->curr.

Requiring a memory barrier between update of rq->curr (back to current process's
thread) and following user-space memory accesses does not seem to guarantee
anything more than what the initial barrier at the beginning of __schedule already
provides, because the guarantees are only about accesses to user-space memory.

Therefore, with the memory barrier at the beginning of __schedule, just observing that
CPU1's rq->curr differs from current should guarantee that a memory barrier was issued
between any sequentially consistent instructions belonging to the current process on
CPU1.

Or am I missing/misremembering an important point here ?

Thanks,

Mathieu

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mathieu
> 
> 
>> Note that the accesses to user-space memory can be
>> done either by user-space code or kernel code, it doesn't matter.
>> However, in order to be considered as happening before/after
>> either membarrier or the matching compiler barrier, kernel code
>> needs to have causality relationship with user-space execution,
>> e.g. user-space does a system call, or returns from a system call.
>> 
>> In the case of io_uring, submitting a request or returning from waiting
>> on request completion appear to provide this causality relationship.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Mathieu
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Mathieu Desnoyers
>> EfficiOS Inc.
>> http://www.efficios.com
> 
> --
> Mathieu Desnoyers
> EfficiOS Inc.
> http://www.efficios.com

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Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

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