linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 1/2] sched/topology: Allow archs to override cpu_smt

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Message-ID: <87d044yn9z.fsf@mpe.ellerman.id.au>
Date:   Thu, 06 Aug 2020 22:25:12 +1000
From:   Michael Ellerman <mpe@...erman.id.au>
To:     peterz@...radead.org
Cc:     Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Mel Gorman <mgorman@...hsingularity.net>,
        Rik van Riel <riel@...riel.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@....com>,
        Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@...aro.org>,
        Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@....com>,
        linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org>,
        Michael Neuling <mikey@...ling.org>,
        Gautham R Shenoy <ego@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
        Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@...ux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] sched/topology: Allow archs to override cpu_smt_mask

peterz@...radead.org writes:
> On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 03:32:25PM +1000, Michael Ellerman wrote:
>
>> That brings with it a bunch of problems, such as existing software that
>> has been developed/configured for Power8 and expects to see SMT8.
>> 
>> We also allow LPARs to be live migrated from Power8 to Power9 (and back), so
>> maintaining the illusion of SMT8 is considered a requirement to make that work.
>
> So how does that work if the kernel booted on P9 and demuxed the SMT8
> into 2xSMT4? If you migrate that state onto a P8 with actual SMT8 you're
> toast again.

The SMT mask would be inaccurate on the P8, rather than the current case
where it's inaccurate on the P9.

Which would be our preference, because the backward migration case is
not common AIUI.

Or am I missing a reason we'd be even more toast than that?

Under PowerVM the kernel does know it's being migrated, so we could
actually update the mask, but I'm not sure if that's really feasible.

>> Yeah I agree the naming is confusing.
>> 
>> Let's call them "SMT4 cores" and "SMT8 cores"?
>
> Works for me, thanks!
>
>> The problem is we are already lying to userspace, because firmware lies to us.
>> 
>> ie. the firmware on these systems shows us an SMT8 core, and so current kernels
>> show SMT8 to userspace. I don't think we can realistically change that fact now,
>> as these systems are already out in the field.
>> 
>> What this patch tries to do is undo some of the mess, and at least give the
>> scheduler the right information.
>
> What a mess... I think it depends on what you do with that P9 to P8
> migration case. Does it make sense to have a "p8_compat" boot arg for
> the case where you want LPAR migration back onto P8 systems -- in which
> case it simply takes the firmware's word as gospel and doesn't untangle
> things, because it can actually land on a P8.

We already get told by firmware that we're running in "p8 compat" mode,
because we have to pretend to userspace that it's running on a P8. So we
could use that as a signal to leave things alone.

But my understanding is most LPARs don't get migrated back and forth,
they'll start life on a P8 and only get migrated to a P9 once when the
customer gets a P9. They might then run for a long time (months to
years) on the P9 in P8 compat mode, not because they ever want to
migrate back to a real P8, but because the software in the LPAR is still
expecting to be on a P8.

I'm not a real expert on all the Enterprisey stuff though, so someone
else might be able to give us a better picture.

But the point of mentioning the migration stuff was mainly just to
explain why we feel we need to present SMT8 to userspace even on P9.

cheers