linux-kernel - Re: [dm-devel] [RFC PATCH v5 00/11] Integrity Policy Enforcement LSM (IPE)

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Message-ID: <eb7a2f5b5cd22cf9231aa0fd8fdb77c729a83428.camel@linux.ibm.com>
Date:   Thu, 06 Aug 2020 10:33:21 -0400
From:   Mimi Zohar <zohar@...ux.ibm.com>
To:     James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>
Cc:     James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...senPartnership.com>,
        Deven Bowers <deven.desai@...ux.microsoft.com>,
        Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>, Sasha Levin <sashal@...nel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [dm-devel] [RFC PATCH v5 00/11] Integrity Policy Enforcement
 LSM (IPE)

On Thu, 2020-08-06 at 09:51 +1000, James Morris wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2020, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> 
> > If block layer integrity was enough, there wouldn't have been a need
> > for fs-verity.   Even fs-verity is limited to read only filesystems,
> > which makes validating file integrity so much easier.  From the
> > beginning, we've said that fs-verity signatures should be included in
> > the measurement list.  (I thought someone signed on to add that support
> > to IMA, but have not yet seen anything.)
> > 
> > Going forward I see a lot of what we've accomplished being incorporated
> > into the filesystems.  When IMA will be limited to defining a system
> > wide policy, I'll have completed my job.
> 
> What are your thoughts on IPE being a standalone LSM? Would you prefer to 
> see its functionality integrated into IMA?

Improving the integrity subsystem would be preferred.

Mimi