lists.openwall.net   lists  /  announce  owl-users  owl-dev  john-users  john-dev  passwdqc-users  yescrypt  popa3d-users  /  oss-security  kernel-hardening  musl  sabotage  tlsify  passwords  /  crypt-dev  xvendor  /  Bugtraq  Full-Disclosure  linux-kernel  linux-netdev  linux-ext4  linux-hardening  PHC 
Open Source and information security mailing list archives
 
Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.
[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]
Date:   Thu, 6 Aug 2020 18:39:03 -0700
From:   Bjorn Andersson <bjorn.andersson@...aro.org>
To:     John Stultz <john.stultz@...aro.org>
Cc:     Steev Klimaszewski <steev@...i.org>,
        Saravana Kannan <saravanak@...gle.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Jason Cooper <jason@...edaemon.net>,
        Marc Zyngier <maz@...nel.org>,
        Matthias Brugger <matthias.bgg@...il.com>,
        Andy Gross <agross@...nel.org>,
        Android Kernel Team <kernel-team@...roid.com>,
        lkml <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>,
        "moderated list:ARM/Mediatek SoC support" 
        <linux-mediatek@...ts.infradead.org>,
        linux-arm-msm <linux-arm-msm@...r.kernel.org>,
        Hanks Chen <hanks.chen@...iatek.com>,
        CC Hwang <cc.hwang@...iatek.com>,
        Loda Chou <loda.chou@...iatek.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/4] irqchip/qcom-pdc: Switch to using
 IRQCHIP_PLATFORM_DRIVER helper macros

On Thu 06 Aug 18:22 PDT 2020, John Stultz wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 5:43 PM Bjorn Andersson
> <bjorn.andersson@...aro.org> wrote:
> > On Wed 05 Aug 14:57 PDT 2020, John Stultz wrote:
> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 2:47 PM Steev Klimaszewski <steev@...i.org> wrote:
> > > > On 8/5/20 4:16 PM, Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
> > > > > On 8/5/20 3:19 PM, Saravana Kannan wrote:
> > > > >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:44 AM John Stultz <john.stultz@...aro.org> wrote:
> > > > >>> <sigh>
> > > > >>> So this is where I bashfully admit I didn't get a chance to try this
> > > > >>> patch series out, as I had success with a much older version of
> > > > >>> Saravana's macro magic.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> But unfortunately, now that this has landed in mainline, I'm seeing
> > > > >>> boot regressions on db845c. :( This is in the non-modular case,
> > > > >>> building the driver in.
> > > > >> Does that mean the modular version is working? Or you haven't tried
> > > > >> that yet? I'll wait for your reply before I try to fix it. I don't
> > > > >> have the hardware, but it should be easy to guess this issue looking
> > > > >> at the code delta.
> > > > > For what it's worth, I saw this too on the Lenovo C630 (started on -next
> > > > > around 20200727, but I didn't track it down as, well, there's less way
> > > > > to get debug output on the C630.
> > > > >
> > > > > In my testing, module or built-in doesn't matter, but reverting does
> > > > > allow me to boot again.
> > > > >
> > > > Actually - I spoke too soon - QCOM_PDC built-in with the commit reverted
> > > > boots, however, module (on the c630 at least) doesn't boot whether it's
> > > > a module or built-in.
> > >
> > > You may need to set deferred_probe_timeout=30 to give things a bit
> > > more grace time to load.
> >
> > With the risk of me reading more into this than what you're saying,
> > please don't upstream anything that depend this parameter to be
> > increased.
> >
> > Compiling any of these drivers as module should not require the user to
> > pass additional kernel command line parameters in order to get their
> > device to boot.
> 
> So, ideally I agree, and Saravana's fw_devlink work should allow us to
> avoid it. But the reality is that it is already required (at least in
> configurations heavily using modules) to give more time for modules
> loaded to resolve missing dependencies after init begins (due to
> changes in the driver core to fail loading after init so that optional
> dt links aren't eternally looked for). This was seen when trying to
> enable the qualcom clk drivers to modules.
> 

So to clarify what you're saying, any system that boots successfully
with the default options is a sign of pure luck - regardless of being
builtin or modules.


And there you have my exact argument against the deferred timeout magic
going on in the driver core. But as you know people insist that it's
more important to be able to boot some defunct system from NFS than a
properly configured one reliably.

> It doesn't seem necessary in this case, but I suggested it here as
> I've got it enabled by default in my AOSP builds so that the
> module-heavy configs for GKI boot properly (even if Saravana's
> fw_devlink work is disabled).
> 

With all due respect, that's your downstream kernel, the upstream kernel
should not rely on luck, out-of-tree patches or kernel parameters.

Regards,
Bjorn

Powered by blists - more mailing lists