linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] mm : update ra->ra_pages if it's NOT equal to bdi->ra

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Message-ID: <CAGWkznFwDnrSqt68oMp+rcNFT_EgN3ke7-e0Tb1xfXreVXgHYw@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Fri, 14 Aug 2020 10:45:37 +0800
From:   Zhaoyang Huang <huangzhaoyang@...il.com>
To:     Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
Cc:     Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>,
        Roman Gushchin <klamm@...dex-team.ru>,
        Zhaoyang Huang <zhaoyang.huang@...soc.com>,
        "open list:MEMORY MANAGEMENT" <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm : update ra->ra_pages if it's NOT equal to bdi->ra_pages

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:33 AM Andrew Morton
<akpm@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 10:20:11 +0800 Zhaoyang Huang <huangzhaoyang@...il.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:07 AM Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 02:43:55AM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 09:30:11AM +0800, Zhaoyang Huang wrote:
> > > > > file->f_ra->ra_pages will remain the initialized value since it opend, which may
> > > > > be NOT equal to bdi->ra_pages as the latter one is updated somehow(etc,
> > > > > echo xxx > /sys/block/dm/queue/read_ahead_kb).So sync ra->ra_pages to the
> > > > > updated value when sync read.
> > > >
> > > > It still ignores the work done by shrink_readahead_size_eio()
> > > > and fadvise(POSIX_FADV_SEQUENTIAL).
> > >
> > > ... by the way, if you're trying to update one particular file's readahead
> > > state, you can just call fadvise(POSIX_FADV_NORMAL) on it.
> > >
> > > If you want to update every open file's ra_pages by writing to sysfs,
> > > then just no.  We don't do that.
> > No, What I want to fix is the file within one process's context  keeps
> > using the initialized value when it is opened and not sync with new
> > value when bdi->ra_pages changes.
>
> So you're saying that
>
>         echo xxx > /sys/block/dm/queue/read_ahead_kb
>
> does not affect presently-open files, and you believe that it should do
> so?
>
> I guess that could be a reasonable thing to want - it's reasonable for
> a user to expect that writing to a global tunable will take immediate
> global effect.  I guess.
>
> But as Matthew says, it would help if you were to explain why this is
> needed.  In full detail.  What operational problems is the present
> implementation causing?
The real scenario is some system(like android) will turbo read during
startup via expanding the readahead window and then set it back to
normal(128kb as usual). However, some files in the system process
context will keep to be opened since it is opened up and has no chance
to sync with the updated value as it is almost impossible to change
the files attached to the inode(processes are unaware of these
things). we have to fix it from a kernel perspective.