linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH kcsan 6/9] tools/memory-model: Expand the cheatsheet.txt notion of relaxed

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Date:   Wed, 2 Sep 2020 12:14:12 +0200
From:   peterz@...radead.org
To:     Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>
Cc:     paulmck@...nel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-arch@...r.kernel.org, kernel-team@...com, mingo@...nel.org,
        stern@...land.harvard.edu, parri.andrea@...il.com, will@...nel.org,
        npiggin@...il.com, dhowells@...hat.com, j.alglave@....ac.uk,
        luc.maranget@...ia.fr, akiyks@...il.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH kcsan 6/9] tools/memory-model: Expand the cheatsheet.txt
 notion of relaxed

On Wed, Sep 02, 2020 at 11:54:48AM +0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 11:20:34AM -0700, paulmck@...nel.org wrote:
> > From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...nel.org>
> > 
> > This commit adds a key entry enumerating the various types of relaxed
> > operations.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@...nel.org>
> > ---
> >  tools/memory-model/Documentation/cheatsheet.txt | 27 ++++++++++++++-----------
> >  1 file changed, 15 insertions(+), 12 deletions(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/tools/memory-model/Documentation/cheatsheet.txt b/tools/memory-model/Documentation/cheatsheet.txt
> > index 33ba98d..31b814d 100644
> > --- a/tools/memory-model/Documentation/cheatsheet.txt
> > +++ b/tools/memory-model/Documentation/cheatsheet.txt
> > @@ -5,7 +5,7 @@
> >  
> >  Store, e.g., WRITE_ONCE()            Y                                       Y
> >  Load, e.g., READ_ONCE()              Y                          Y   Y        Y
> > -Unsuccessful RMW operation           Y                          Y   Y        Y
> > +Relaxed operation                    Y                          Y   Y        Y
> >  rcu_dereference()                    Y                          Y   Y        Y
> >  Successful *_acquire()               R                   Y  Y   Y   Y    Y   Y
> >  Successful *_release()         C        Y  Y    Y     W                      Y
> > @@ -17,14 +17,17 @@ smp_mb__before_atomic()       CP        Y  Y    Y        a  a   a   a    Y
> >  smp_mb__after_atomic()        CP        a  a    Y        Y  Y   Y   Y    Y
> >  
> >  
> > -Key:	C:	Ordering is cumulative
> > -	P:	Ordering propagates
> > -	R:	Read, for example, READ_ONCE(), or read portion of RMW
> > -	W:	Write, for example, WRITE_ONCE(), or write portion of RMW
> > -	Y:	Provides ordering
> > -	a:	Provides ordering given intervening RMW atomic operation
> > -	DR:	Dependent read (address dependency)
> > -	DW:	Dependent write (address, data, or control dependency)
> > -	RMW:	Atomic read-modify-write operation
> > -	SELF:	Orders self, as opposed to accesses before and/or after
> > -	SV:	Orders later accesses to the same variable
> > +Key:	Relaxed:  A relaxed operation is either a *_relaxed() RMW
> > +		  operation, an unsuccessful RMW operation, or one of
> > +		  the atomic_read() and atomic_set() family of operations.
> 
> To be accurate, atomic_set() doesn't return any value, so it cannot be
> ordered against DR and DW ;-)

Surely DW is valid for any store.

> I think we can split the Relaxed family into two groups:
> 
> void Relaxed: atomic_set() or atomic RMW operations that don't return
>               any value (e.g atomic_inc())
> 
> non-void Relaxed: a *_relaxed() RMW operation, an unsuccessful RMW
>                   operation, or atomic_read().
> 
> And "void Relaxed" is similar to WRITE_ONCE(), only has "Self" and "SV"
> equal "Y", while "non-void Relaxed" plays the same rule as "Relaxed"
> in this patch.
> 
> Thoughts?

I get confused by the mention of all this atomic_read() atomic_set()
crud in the first place, why are they called out specifically from any
other regular load/store ?