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Date:   Tue, 8 Sep 2020 17:49:14 +0800
From:   Claire Chang <tientzu@...omium.org>
To:     Tomasz Figa <tfiga@...omium.org>
Cc:     Rob Herring <robh@...nel.org>, Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@....com>,
        Frank Rowand <frowand.list@...il.com>,
        Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>,
        Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@...sung.com>,
        Thierry Reding <treding@...dia.com>,
        Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
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        dan.j.williams@...el.com, heikki.krogerus@...ux.intel.com,
        Bartosz Golaszewski <bgolaszewski@...libre.com>,
        linux-devicetree <devicetree@...r.kernel.org>,
        lkml <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "list@....net:IOMMU DRIVERS <iommu@...ts.linux-foundation.org>, Joerg
        Roedel <joro@...tes.org>," <iommu@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
        Nicolas Boichat <drinkcat@...omium.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 4/5] dt-bindings: of: Add plumbing for restricted DMA pool

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 1:30 AM Tomasz Figa <tfiga@...omium.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 11:15 AM Tomasz Figa <tfiga@...omium.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 5:15 PM Tomasz Figa <tfiga@...omium.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Claire and Rob,
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:26 PM Claire Chang <tientzu@...omium.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 4:58 AM Rob Herring <robh@...nel.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 01:01:39PM +0800, Claire Chang wrote:
> > > > > > Introduce the new compatible string, device-swiotlb-pool, for restricted
> > > > > > DMA. One can specify the address and length of the device swiotlb memory
> > > > > > region by device-swiotlb-pool in the device tree.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Claire Chang <tientzu@...omium.org>
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > >  .../reserved-memory/reserved-memory.txt       | 35 +++++++++++++++++++
> > > > > >  1 file changed, 35 insertions(+)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/reserved-memory/reserved-memory.txt b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/reserved-memory/reserved-memory.txt
> > > > > > index 4dd20de6977f..78850896e1d0 100644
> > > > > > --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/reserved-memory/reserved-memory.txt
> > > > > > +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/reserved-memory/reserved-memory.txt
> > > > > > @@ -51,6 +51,24 @@ compatible (optional) - standard definition
> > > > > >            used as a shared pool of DMA buffers for a set of devices. It can
> > > > > >            be used by an operating system to instantiate the necessary pool
> > > > > >            management subsystem if necessary.
> > > > > > +        - device-swiotlb-pool: This indicates a region of memory meant to be
> > > > >
> > > > > swiotlb is a Linux thing. The binding should be independent.
> > > > Got it. Thanks for pointing this out.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > +          used as a pool of device swiotlb buffers for a given device. When
> > > > > > +          using this, the no-map and reusable properties must not be set, so the
> > > > > > +          operating system can create a virtual mapping that will be used for
> > > > > > +          synchronization. Also, there must be a restricted-dma property in the
> > > > > > +          device node to specify the indexes of reserved-memory nodes. One can
> > > > > > +          specify two reserved-memory nodes in the device tree. One with
> > > > > > +          shared-dma-pool to handle the coherent DMA buffer allocation, and
> > > > > > +          another one with device-swiotlb-pool for regular DMA to/from system
> > > > > > +          memory, which would be subject to bouncing. The main purpose for
> > > > > > +          restricted DMA is to mitigate the lack of DMA access control on
> > > > > > +          systems without an IOMMU, which could result in the DMA accessing the
> > > > > > +          system memory at unexpected times and/or unexpected addresses,
> > > > > > +          possibly leading to data leakage or corruption. The feature on its own
> > > > > > +          provides a basic level of protection against the DMA overwriting buffer
> > > > > > +          contents at unexpected times. However, to protect against general data
> > > > > > +          leakage and system memory corruption, the system needs to provide a
> > > > > > +          way to restrict the DMA to a predefined memory region.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm pretty sure we already support per device carveouts and I don't
> > > > > understand how this is different.
> > > > We use this to bounce streaming DMA in and out of a specially allocated region.
> > > > I'll try to merge this with the existing one (i.e., shared-dma-pool)
> > > > to see if that
> > > > makes things clearer.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Indeed, from the firmware point of view, this is just a carveout, for
> > > which we have the "shared-dma-pool" compatible string defined already.
> > >
> > > However, depending on the device and firmware setup, the way the
> > > carevout is used may change. I can see the following scenarios:
> > >
> > > 1) coherent DMA (dma_alloc_*) within a reserved pool and no
> > > non-coherent DMA (dma_map_*).
> > >
> > > This is how the "memory-region" property is handled today in Linux for
> > > devices which can only DMA from/to the given memory region. However,
> > > I'm not sure if no non-coherent DMA is actually enforced in any way by
> > > the DMA subsystem.
> > >
> > > 2) coherent DMA from a reserved pool and non-coherent DMA from system memory
> > >
> > > This is the case for the systems which have some dedicated part of
> > > memory which is guaranteed to be coherent with the DMA, but still can
> > > do non-coherent DMA to any part of the system memory. Linux handles it
> > > the same way as 1), which is what made me believe that 1) might not
> > > actually be handled correctly.
> > >
> > > 3) coherent DMA and bounced non-coherent DMA within a reserved pool
> > > 4) coherent DMA within one pool and bounced non-coherent within another pool
> > >
> > > These are the two cases we're interested in. Basically they make it
> > > possible for non-coherent DMA from arbitrary system memory to be
> > > bounced through a reserved pool, which the device has access to. The
> > > current series implements 4), but I'd argue that it:
> > >
> > > - is problematic from the firmware point of view, because on most of
> > > the systems, both pools would be just some carveouts and the fact that
> > > Linux would use one for coherent and the other for non-coherent DMA
> > > would be an OS implementation detail,
> > > - suffers from the static memory split between coherent and
> > > non-coherent DMA, which could either result in some wasted memory or
> > > the DMA stopped working after a kernel update if the driver changes
> > > its allocation pattern,
> > >
> > > and so we should rather go with 3).
> > >
> > > Now, from the firmware point of view, it doesn't matter how the OS
> > > uses the carveout, but I think it's still necessary to tell the OS
> > > about the device DMA capability. Right now we use "memory-region" for
> > > any kind of reserved memory, but looking at the above scenarios, there
> > > are 2 cases:
> > >
> > > a) the memory region is preferred for the device, e.g. it enables
> > > coherency, but the device can still DMA across the rest of the system
> > > memory. This is the case in scenario 2) and is kind of assumed in the
> > > Linux DMA subsystem, although it's certainly not the case for a lot of
> > > hardware, even if they use the "memory-region" binding.
> > >
> > > b) the memory region is the only region that the device can access.
> > > This is the case in scenarios 1), 3) and 4).
> > >
> > > For this, I'd like to propose a "restricted-dma-region" (feel free to
> > > suggest a better name) binding, which is explicitly specified to be
> > > the only DMA-able memory for this device and make Linux use the given
> > > pool for coherent DMA allocations and bouncing non-coherent DMA.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> >
> > Rob, Robin, we'd appreciate your feedback on this when you have a
> > chance to take a look again. Thanks!
>
> Gentle ping.

The "restricted-dma-region" idea sounds good to me and I'm happy to
submit a new version implementing it.
Rob, Robin, please kindly let us know if you have any concerns about
it. Thanks!

Best regards,
Claire

>
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Tomasz
> >
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Tomasz
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What is the last sentence supposed to imply? You need an IOMMU?
> > > > The main purpose is to mitigate the lack of DMA access control on
> > > > systems without an IOMMU.
> > > > For example, we plan to use this plus a MPU for our PCIe WiFi which is
> > > > not behind an IOMMU.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >          - vendor specific string in the form <vendor>,[<device>-]<usage>
> > > > > >  no-map (optional) - empty property
> > > > > >      - Indicates the operating system must not create a virtual mapping
> > > > > > @@ -117,6 +135,16 @@ one for multimedia processing (named multimedia-memory@...00000, 64MiB).
> > > > > >                       compatible = "acme,multimedia-memory";
> > > > > >                       reg = <0x77000000 0x4000000>;
> > > > > >               };
> > > > > > +
> > > > > > +             wifi_coherent_mem_region: wifi_coherent_mem_region {
> > > > > > +                     compatible = "shared-dma-pool";
> > > > > > +                     reg = <0x50000000 0x400000>;
> > > > > > +             };
> > > > > > +
> > > > > > +             wifi_device_swiotlb_region: wifi_device_swiotlb_region {
> > > > > > +                     compatible = "device-swiotlb-pool";
> > > > > > +                     reg = <0x50400000 0x4000000>;
> > > > > > +             };
> > > > > >       };
> > > > > >
> > > > > >       /* ... */
> > > > > > @@ -135,4 +163,11 @@ one for multimedia processing (named multimedia-memory@...00000, 64MiB).
> > > > > >               memory-region = <&multimedia_reserved>;
> > > > > >               /* ... */
> > > > > >       };
> > > > > > +
> > > > > > +     pcie_wifi: pcie_wifi@0,0 {
> > > > > > +             memory-region = <&wifi_coherent_mem_region>,
> > > > > > +                      <&wifi_device_swiotlb_region>;
> > > > > > +             restricted-dma = <0>, <1>;
> > > > > > +             /* ... */
> > > > > > +     };
> > > > > >  };
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > 2.28.0.rc0.142.g3c755180ce-goog
> > > > > >

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