Message-ID: <20200910081416.GF17540@quack2.suse.cz>
Date:   Thu, 10 Sep 2020 10:14:16 +0200
From:   Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>
To:     Amir Goldstein <amir73il@...il.com>
Cc:     Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>, Xiaoming Ni <nixiaoming@...wei.com>,
        Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>,
        linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        wangle6@...wei.com
Subject: Re: Question: Why is there no notification when a file is opened
 using filp_open()?

On Wed 09-09-20 19:03:07, Amir Goldstein wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 2:11 PM Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed 09-09-20 10:36:57, Amir Goldstein wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:00 AM Xiaoming Ni <nixiaoming@...wei.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 2020/9/9 11:44, Amir Goldstein wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 8:19 PM Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Tue, Sep 08, 2020 at 04:18:29PM +0300, Amir Goldstein wrote:
> > > > >>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 3:53 PM Xiaoming Ni <nixiaoming@...wei.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>> For example, in fs/coredump.c, do_coredump() calls filp_open() to
> > > > >>>> generate core files.
> > > > >>>> In this scenario, the fsnotify_open() notification is missing.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I am not convinced that we should generate an event.
> > > > >>> You will have to explain in what is the real world use case that requires this
> > > > >>> event to be generated.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Take the typical usage for fsnotify of a graphical file manager.
> > > > >> It would be nice if the file manager showed a corefile as soon as it
> > > > >> appeared in a directory rather than waiting until some other operation
> > > > >> in that directory caused those directory contents to be refreshed.
> > > > >
> > > > > fsnotify_open() is not the correct notification for file managers IMO.
> > > > > fsnotify_create() is and it will be called in this case.
> > > > >
> > > > > If the reason you are interested in open events is because you want
> > > > > to monitor the entire filesystem then welcome to the future -
> > > > > FAN_CREATE is supported since kernel v5.1.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there another real life case you have in mind where you think users
> > > > > should be able to get an open fd for a file that the kernel has opened?
> > > > > Because that is what FAN_OPEN will do.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > There are also cases where file is opened in read-only mode using
> > > > filp_open().
> > > >
> > > > case1: nfsd4_init_recdir() call filp_open()
> > > > filp_open()
> > > > nfsd4_init_recdir() fs/nfsd/nfs4recover.c#L543
> > > >
> > > > L70: static char user_recovery_dirname[PATH_MAX] =
> > > > "/var/lib/nfs/v4recovery";
> > > > L543: nn->rec_file = filp_open(user_recovery_dirname, O_RDONLY |
> > > > O_DIRECTORY, 0);
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > case2: ima_read_policy()
> > > > filp_open()
> > > > kernel_read_file_from_path()  fs/exec.c#L1004
> > > > ima_read_policy()  security/integrity/ima/ima_fs.c#L286
> > > > ima_write_policy() security/integrity/ima/ima_fs.c#L335
> > > > ima_measure_policy_ops   security/integrity/ima/ima_fs.c#L443
> > > > sys_write()
> > > >
> > > > case3: use do_file_open_root() to open file
> > > > do_file_open_root()
> > > > file_open_root()   fs/open.c#L1159
> > > > kernel_read_file_from_path_initns()  fs/exec.c#L1029
> > > > fw_get_filesystem_firmware()  drivers/base/firmware_loader/main.c#L498
> > > >
> > > > Do we need to add fsnotify_open() in these scenarios?
> > >
> > > We do not *need* to add fsnotify_open() if there is no concrete use case
> > > from real life that needs it.
> > >
> > > Matthew gave an example of a real life use case and I explained why IMO
> > > we don't need to add fsnotify_open() for the use case that he described.
> > >
> > > If you want to add fsnotify_open() to any call site, please come up with
> > > a real life use case - not a made up one, one that really exists and where
> > > the open event is really needed.
> > >
> > > grepping the code for callers of filp_open() is not enough.
> >
> > Yeah. So in kernel, things are both ways. There are filp_open() users that
> > do take care to manually generate fsnotify_open() event (most notably
> > io_uring, exec, or do_handle_open) and there are others as Xiaoming found
> > which just don't bother.  I'm not sure filp_open() should unconditionally
> > generate fsnotify_open() event as IMO some of those notifications would be
> > more confusing than useful.
> >
> > OTOH it is true that e.g. for core dumping we will generate other fsnotify
> > events such as FSNOTIFY_CLOSE (which is generated in __fput()) so missing
> 
> And to be fair, those kernel callers will probably also end up generating
> FS_ACCESS/FS_MODIFY too.

Yes.

> > FSNOTIFY_OPEN is somewhat confusing. So having some consistency in this
> > (either by generating FSNOTIFY_OPEN or by not generating FSNOTIFY_CLOSE)
> > would be IMO desirable.
> 
> Well, dropping events (FS_CLOSE in particular) didn't go down well the
> last time we tried it:
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-fsdevel/CAOQ4uxg8E-im=B6L0PQNaTTKdtxVAO=MSJki7kxq875ME4hOLw@mail.gmail.com/

Right, I remember that one :)

> I am just wondering who is using FS_OPEN these days and whether
> they would care about this change and if not, why are we doing it?

I'd be interested who is using FS_OPEN these days as well. And you're right
that without users the discussion is kind of moot.

> The argument that it is confusing to see FS_ACCESS/FS_MODIFY/FS_CLOSE
> and not seeing FS_OPEN is only half true - it is common to see that
> pattern when the file is already open when starting to watch, so application
> should not break because of that pattern.

Good point.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@...e.com>
SUSE Labs, CR

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