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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/3] mm/gup: fix gup_fast with dynamic page table
 folding

On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 15:03:24 -0300
Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 09, 2020 at 07:25:34PM +0200, Gerald Schaefer wrote:
> > I actually had to draw myself a picture to get some hold of
> > this, or rather a walk-through with a certain pud-crossing
> > range in a folded 3-level scenario. Not sure if I would have
> > understood my explanation above w/o that, but I hope you can
> > make some sense out of it. Or draw yourself a picture :-)
> 
> What I don't understand is how does anything work with S390 today?

That is totally comprehensible :-)

> If the fix is only to change pxx_addr_end() then than generic code
> like mm/pagewalk.c will iterate over a *different list* of page table
> entries. 
> 
> It's choice of entries to look at is entirely driven by pxx_addr_end().
> 
> Which suggest to me that mm/pagewalk.c also doesn't work properly
> today on S390 and this issue is not really about stack variables?

I guess you are confused by the fact that the generic change will indeed
change the logic for _all_ pagetable walkers on s390, not just for
the gup_fast case. But that doesn't mean that they were doing it wrong
before, we simply can do it both ways. However, we probably should
make that (in theory useless) change more explicit.

Let's compare before and after for mm/pagewalk.c on s390, with 3-level
pagetables, range crossing 2 GB pud boundary.

* Before (with pXd_addr_end always using static 5-level PxD_SIZE):

walk_pgd_range()
-> pgd_addr_end() will use static 2^53 PGDIR_SIZE, range is not cropped,
                  no iterations needed, passed over to next level

walk_p4d_range()
-> p4d_addr_end() will use static 2^42 P4D_SIZE, range still not cropped

walk_pud_range()
-> pud_addr_end() now we're cropping, with 2^31 PUD_SIZE, need two
                  iterations for range crossing pud boundary, doing
                  that right here on a pudp which is actually the
                  previously passed-through pgdp/p4dp (pointing to
                  correct pagetable entry)

* After (with dynamic pXd_addr_end using "correct" PxD_SIZE boundaries,
         should be similar to other archs static "top-level folding"):

walk_pgd_range()
-> pgd_addr_end() will now determine "correct" boundary based on pgd
                  value, i.e. 2^31 PUD_SIZE, do cropping now, iteration
                  will now happen here

walk_p4d/pud_range()
->  operate on cropped range, will not iterate, instead return to pgd level,
    which will then use the same pointer for iteration as in the "Before"
    case, but not on the same level.

IMHO, our "Before" logic is more efficient, and also feels more natural.
After all, it is not really necessary to return to pgd level, and it will
surely cost some extra instructions. We are willing to take that cost
for the sake of doing it in a more generic way, hoping that will reduce
future issues. E.g. you already mentioned that you have plans for using
the READ_ONCE logic also in other places, and that would be such a
"future issue".

> Fundamentally if pXX_offset() and pXX_addr_end() must be consistent
> together, if pXX_offset() is folded then pXX_addr_end() must cause a
> single iteration of that level.

well, that sounds correct in theory, but I guess it depends on "how
you fold it". E.g. what does "if pXX_offset() is folded" mean?
Take pgd_offset() for the 3-level case above. From our previous
"middle-level folding/iteration" perspective, I would say that
pgd/p4d are folded into pud, so if you say "if pgd_offset() is folded
then pgd_addr_end() must cause a single iteration of that level",
we were doing it all correctly, i.e only having single iteration
on pgd/p4d level. You could even say that all others are doing /
using it wrong :-)

Now take pgd_offset() from the "top-level folding/iteration".
Here you would say that p4d/pud are folded into pgd, which again
does not sound like the natural / most efficient way to me,
but IIUC this has to be how it works for all other archs with
(static) pagetable folding. Now you'd say "if pud/p4d_offset()
is folded then pud/p4d_addr_end() must cause a single iteration
of that level", and that would sound correct. At least until
you look more closely, because e.g. p4d_addr_end() in
include/asm-generic/pgtable-nop4d.h is simply this:
#define p4d_addr_end(addr, end) (end)

How can that cause a single iteration? It clearly won't, it only
works because the previous pgd_addr_end already cropped the range
so that there will be only single iterations for p4d/pud.

The more I think of it, the more it sounds like s390 "middle-level
folding/iteration" was doing it "the right way", and everybody else
was wrong, or at least not in an optimally efficient way :-) Might
also be that only we could do this because we can determine the
pagetable level from a pagetable entry value.

Anyway, if you are not yet confused enough, I recommend looking
at the other option we had in mind, for fixing the gup_fast issue.
See "Patch 1" from here:
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20200828140314.8556-1-gerald.schaefer@linux.ibm.com/

That would actually have kept that "middle-level iteration" also
for gup_fast, by additionally passing through the pXd pointers.
However, it also needed a gup-specific version of pXd_offset(),
in order to keep the READ_ONCE semantics. For s390, that would
have actually been the best solution, but a generic version of
that might not have been so easy. And doing it like everybody
else can not be so bad, at least I really hope so.

Of course, at some point in time, we might come up with some fancy
fundamental change that would "do it the right middle-level way
for everybody". At least I think I overheard Vasily and Alexander
discussing some wild ideas, but that is certainly beyond this scope
here...

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