linux-kernel - Re: Ways to deprecate /sys/devices/system/memory/memoryX/phys

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Message-ID: <20200911072035.GC7986@dhcp22.suse.cz>
Date:   Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:20:35 +0200
From:   Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>
To:     David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>
Cc:     Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>,
        Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@...ux.ibm.com>,
        "akpm@...ux-foundation.org" <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        Jan Höppner <hoeppner@...ux.ibm.com>,
        Heiko Carstens <hca@...ux.ibm.com>,
        "linux-mm@...ck.org" <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        linux-api@...r.kernel.org,
        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Ways to deprecate /sys/devices/system/memory/memoryX/phys_device
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On Thu 10-09-20 22:31:09, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> 
> 
> > Am 10.09.2020 um 22:01 schrieb Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>:
> > 
> > On 9/10/20 3:20 AM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> >> I was just exploring how /sys/devices/system/memory/memoryX/phys_device
> >> is/was used. It's one of these interfaces that most probably never
> >> should have been added but now we are stuck with it.
> > 
> > While I'm all for cleanups, what specific problems is phys_device causing?
> > 
> 
> Mostly stumbling over it, understanding that it is basically unused
> with new userspace for good reason, questioning its existence.
> 
> E.g., I am working on virtio-mem support for s390x. Displaying
> misleading/wrong phys_device indications isn‘t particularly helpful
> - especially once there are different ways to hotplug memory for an
> architecture.
> 
> > Are you hoping that we can just remove users of memoryX/* until there
> > are no more left, and this is the easiest place to start?
> 
> At least reducing it to a minimum with clear semantics. Even with
> automatic onlining there are still reasons why we need to keep the
> interface for now (e.g., reloading kexec to update the kdump headers
> on memory hot(un)plug). But also standby memory handling on s399x
> requires it (->manual onlining).

While I agree that the existing interface is far from ideal, I am not
sure it makes much sense to invest energy into cleaning it up. We can
have a pig with a lipstick but but this will not solve the underlying
problem that we have I believe. The interface doesn't scale with the
block count (especially on some platforms like ppc), it is too
inflexible (single size of the block) and many others. I believe we need
a completely new interface which would effectively deprecate the
existing one. One could still chose to use the old interface but new
usecases would use the new one ideally.

I have brought that up earlier already without much follow up
(http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20200619120704.GD12177@dhcp22.suse.cz)

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs