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Date:   Thu, 17 Sep 2020 08:37:07 +0200
From:   Marco Elver <elver@...gle.com>
To:     George Popescu <georgepope@...gle.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/14] Fix CFLAGS for UBSAN_BOUNDS on Clang

On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 15:40, Marco Elver <elver@...gle.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 12:14PM +0000, George Popescu wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:40AM +0200, Marco Elver wrote:
> > > On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 09:40, George Popescu <georgepope@...gle.com> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 07:32:28PM +0200, Marco Elver wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 at 14:01, George Popescu <georgepope@...gle.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 01:18:11PM +0200, Marco Elver wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 at 12:25, George Popescu <georgepope@...gle.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 03:13:14PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 05:27:42PM +0000, George-Aurelian Popescu wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > From: George Popescu <georgepope@...gle.com>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > When the kernel is compiled with Clang, UBSAN_BOUNDS inserts a brk after
> > > > > > > > > > the handler call, preventing it from printing any information processed
> > > > > > > > > > inside the buffer.
> > > > > > > > > > For Clang -fsanitize=bounds expands to -fsanitize=array-bounds and
> > > > > > > > > > -fsanitize=local-bounds, and the latter adds a brk after the handler
> > > > > > > > > > call
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This would mean losing the local-bounds coverage. I tried to  test it without
> > > > > > > > local-bounds and with a locally defined array on the stack and it works fine
> > > > > > > > (the handler is called and the error reported). For me it feels like
> > > > > > > > --array-bounds and --local-bounds are triggered for the same type of
> > > > > > > > undefined_behaviours but they are handling them different.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does -fno-sanitize-trap=bounds help?
> [...]
> > > Your full config would be good, because it includes compiler version etc.
> > My full config is:
>
> Thanks. Yes, I can reproduce, and the longer I keep digging I start
> wondering why we have local-bounds at all.
>
> It appears that local-bounds finds a tiny subset of the issues that
> KASAN finds:
>
>         http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/cfe-commits/Week-of-Mon-20131021/091536.html
>         http://llvm.org/viewvc/llvm-project?view=revision&revision=193205
>
> fsanitize=undefined also does not include local-bounds:
>
>         https://clang.llvm.org/docs/UndefinedBehaviorSanitizer.html#available-checks
>
> And the reason is that we do want to enable KASAN and UBSAN together;
> but local-bounds is useless overhead if we already have KASAN.
>
> I'm inclined to say that what you propose is reasonable (but the commit
> message needs to be more detailed explaining the relationship with
> KASAN) -- but I have no idea if this is going to break somebody's
> usecase (e.g. find some OOB bugs, but without KASAN -- but then why not
> use KASAN?!)

So, it seems that local-bounds can still catch some rare OOB accesses,
where KASAN fails to catch it because the access might skip over the
redzone.

The other more interesting bit of history is that
-fsanitize=local-bounds used to be -fbounds-checking, and meant for
production use as a hardening feature:
http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2012-May/049972.html

And local-bounds just does not behave like any other sanitizer as a
result, it just traps. The fact that it's enabled via
-fsanitize=local-bounds (or just bounds) but hasn't much changed in
behaviour is a little unfortunate.

I suppose there are 3 options:

1. George implements trap handling somehow. Is this feasible? If not,
why not? Maybe that should also have been explained in the commit
message.

2. Only enable -fsanitize=local-bounds if UBSAN_TRAP was selected, at
least for as long as Clang traps for local-bounds. I think this makes
sense either way, because if we do not expect UBSAN to trap, it really
should not trap!

3. Change the compiler. As always, this will take a while to implement
and then to reach whoever should have that updated compiler.

Preferences?

Thanks,
-- Marco

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