Date:   Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:39:03 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v20 00/15] Introduce Data Access MONitor (DAMON)

On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:04:57 -0700 Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@...gle.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 3:52 AM SeongJae Park <sjpark@...zon.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: SeongJae Park <sjpark@...zon.de>
> >
> > Changes from Previous Version
> > =============================
> >
> > - Place 'CREATE_TRACE_POINTS' after '#include' statements (Steven Rostedt)
> > - Support large record file (Alkaid)
> > - Place 'put_pid()' of virtual monitoring targets in 'cleanup' callback
> > - Avoid conflict between concurrent DAMON users
> > - Update evaluation result document
> >
> > Introduction
> > ============
> >
> > DAMON is a data access monitoring framework subsystem for the Linux kernel.
> > The core mechanisms of DAMON called 'region based sampling' and 'adaptive
> > regions adjustment' (refer to 'mechanisms.rst' in the 11th patch of this
> > patchset for the detail) make it
> >
> >  - accurate (The monitored information is useful for DRAM level memory
> >    management. It might not appropriate for Cache-level accuracy, though.),
> >  - light-weight (The monitoring overhead is low enough to be applied online
> >    while making no impact on the performance of the target workloads.), and
> >  - scalable (the upper-bound of the instrumentation overhead is controllable
> >    regardless of the size of target workloads.).
> >
> > Using this framework, therefore, the kernel's core memory management mechanisms
> > such as reclamation and THP can be optimized for better memory management.  The
> > experimental memory management optimization works that incurring high
> > instrumentation overhead will be able to have another try.  In user space,
> > meanwhile, users who have some special workloads will be able to write
> > personalized tools or applications for deeper understanding and specialized
> > optimizations of their systems.
> >
> > Evaluations
> > ===========
> >
> > We evaluated DAMON's overhead, monitoring quality and usefulness using 25
> > realistic workloads on my QEMU/KVM based virtual machine running a kernel that
> > v20 DAMON patchset is applied.
> >
> > DAMON is lightweight.  It increases system memory usage by 0.12% and slows
> > target workloads down by 1.39%.
> >
> > DAMON is accurate and useful for memory management optimizations.  An
> > experimental DAMON-based operation scheme for THP, 'ethp', removes 88.16% of
> > THP memory overheads while preserving 88.73% of THP speedup.  Another
> > experimental DAMON-based 'proactive reclamation' implementation, 'prcl',
> > reduces 91.34% of residential sets and 25.59% of system memory footprint while
> > incurring only 1.58% runtime overhead in the best case (parsec3/freqmine).
> >
> > NOTE that the experimentail THP optimization and proactive reclamation are not
> > for production but just only for proof of concepts.
> >
> > Please refer to the official document[1] or "Documentation/admin-guide/mm: Add
> > a document for DAMON" patch in this patchset for detailed evaluation setup and
> > results.
> >
> > [1] https://damonitor.github.io/doc/html/latest-damon/admin-guide/mm/damon/eval.html
> >
> 
> 
> Hi SeongJae,
> 
> Sorry for the late response. I will start looking at this series in
> more detail in the next couple of weeks.

Thank you so much!

> I have a couple of high level comments for now.
> 
> 1) Please explain in the cover letter why someone should prefer to use
> DAMON instead of Page Idle Tracking.

In short, because DAMON provides overhead-quality tradeoff and allow use of
variable monitoring primitives other than only PG_Idle and PTE Accessed bits.
I will explain this in detail in the cover letter of the next version of this
patchset.

> 
> 2) Also add what features Page Idle Tracking provides which the first
> version of DAMON does not provide (like page level tracking, physical
> or unmapped memory tracking e.t.c) and tell if you plan to add such
> features to DAMON in future. Basically giving reasons to not block the
> current version of DAMON until it is feature-rich.

In short, DAMON will provide only virtual address space monitoring by default
but I believe the lack of features because DAMON is expandable for those.
Also, I will make DAMON co-exists with Idle Page Tracking again.  I will post
another RFC patchset for this soon.  Again, I will describe this in detail in
the next version of the cover letter.

> 
> 3) I think in the first mergeable version of DAMON, I would prefer to
> have support to control (create/delete/account) the DAMON context. You
> already have a RFC series on it. I would like to have that series part
> of this one.

Ok, I will apply it here.


Thanks,
SeongJae Park

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