Date:   Fri, 2 Oct 2020 10:08:18 -0700
From:   Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@...radead.org>
To:     Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@...mhuis.info>,
        Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>
Cc:     linux-doc@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 08/26] docs: reporting-bugs: make readers check the
 taint flag

On 10/1/20 1:39 AM, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> Tell users early in the process to check the taint flag, as that will
> prevent them from investing time into a report that might be worthless.
> That way users for example will notice that the issue they face is in
> fact caused by an add-on kernel module or and Oops that happened
> earlier.
> 
> This approach has a downside: users will later have to check the flag
> again with the mainline kernel the guide tells them to install. But that
> is an acceptable trade-off here, as checking only takes a few seconds
> and can easily prevent wasting time in useless testing and debugging.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@...mhuis.info>
> ---
> 
> = RFC =
> 
> Should "disable DKMS" come before this step? But then the backup step right
> before that one would need to be moved as well, as disabling DKMS can mix things
> up.
> ---
>  Documentation/admin-guide/reporting-bugs.rst  | 59 +++++++++++++++++++
>  Documentation/admin-guide/tainted-kernels.rst |  2 +
>  2 files changed, 61 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/reporting-bugs.rst b/Documentation/admin-guide/reporting-bugs.rst
> index 430a0c3ee0ad..61b6592ddf74 100644
> --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/reporting-bugs.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/reporting-bugs.rst
> @@ -311,6 +311,65 @@ fatal error where the kernels stop itself) with a 'Oops' (a recoverable error),
>  as the kernel remains running after an 'Oops'.
>  
>  
> +Check 'taint' flag
> +------------------
> +
> +    *Check if your kernel was 'tainted' when the issue occurred, as the event
> +    that made the kernel set this flag might be causing the issue you face.*
> +
> +The kernel marks itself with a 'taint' flag when something happens that might
> +lead to follow-up errors that look totally unrelated. The issue you face might
> +be such an error if your kernel is tainted. That's why it's in your interest to
> +rule this out early before investing more time into this process. This is the
> +only reason why this step is here, as this process later will tell you to
> +install the latest mainline kernel and check its taint flag, as that's the
> +kernel the report will be mainly about.
> +
> +On a running system is easy to check if the kernel tainted itself: it's not
> +tainted if ``cat /proc/sys/kernel/tainted`` returns '0'. Checking that file is
> +impossible in some situations, that's why the kernel also mentions the taint

                      situations;

> +status when it reports an internal problem (a 'kernel bug'), a recoverable
> +error (a 'kernel Oops') or a non-recoverable error before halting operation (a
> +'kernel panic'). Look near the top of the error messages printed when one of
> +these occurs and search for a line starting with 'CPU:'. It should end with
> +'Not tainted' if the kernel was not tainted beforehand; it was tainted if you
> +see 'Tainted:' followed by a few spaces and some letters.
> +
> +If your kernel is tainted study

                     tainted, study

> +:ref:`Documentation/admin-guide/tainted-kernels.rst <taintedkernels>` to find
> +out why and try to eliminate the reason. Often it's because a recoverable error
> +(a 'kernel Oops') occurred and the kernel tainted itself, as the kernel knows
> +it might misbehave in strange ways after that point. In that case check your
> +kernel or system log and look for a section that starts with this::
> +
> +       Oops: 0000 [#1] SMP
> +
> +That's the first Oops since boot-up, as the '#1' between the brackets shows.
> +Every Oops and any other problem that happen after that point might be a
> +follow-up problem to that first Oops, even if they look totally unrelated. Try
> +to rule this out by getting rid of that Oops and reproducing the issue
> +afterwards. Sometimes simply restarting will be enough, sometimes a change to
> +the configuration followed by a reboot can eliminate the Oops. But don't invest
> +too much time into this at this point of the process, as the cause for the Oops
> +might already be fixed in the newer Linux kernel version you are going to
> +install later in this process.
> +
> +Quite a few kernels are also tainted because an unsuitable kernel modules was

                                                                     module

> +loaded. This for example is the case if you use Nvidias proprietary graphics

                                                   Nvidia's

> +driver, VirtualBox, or other software that installs its own kernel modules: you
> +will have to remove these modules and reboot the system, as they might in fact
> +be causing the issue you face.

You will need to reboot the system and try to reproduce the issue without loading
any of these proprietary modules.

> +
> +The kernel also taints itself when it's loading a module that resists in the

                                                                 resides

> +staging tree of the Linux kernel source. That's a special area for code (mostly
> +drivers) that does not yet fulfill the normal Linux kernel quality standards.
> +When you report an issue with such a module it's obviously okay if the kernel is
> +tainted, just make sure the module in question is the only reason for the taint.

   tainted;

> +If the issue happens in an unrelated area reboot and temporary block the module

                                                        temporarily

> +from being loaded by specifying ``foo.blacklist=1`` as kernel parameter (replace
> +'foo' with the name of the module in question).
> +
> +
>  .. ############################################################################
>  .. Temporary marker added while this document is rewritten. Sections above
>  .. are new and dual-licensed under GPLv2+ and CC-BY 4.0, those below are old.
> diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/tainted-kernels.rst b/Documentation/admin-guide/tainted-kernels.rst
> index abf804719890..2900f477f42f 100644
> --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/tainted-kernels.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/tainted-kernels.rst
> @@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
> +.. _taintedkernels:
> +
>  Tainted kernels
>  ---------------
>  
> 


-- 
~Randy

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