linux-kernel - Re: [RFC-PATCH 2/4] mm: Add __rcu_alloc_page

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Message-ID: <20201006154104.GH29330@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72>
Date:   Tue, 6 Oct 2020 08:41:04 -0700
From:   "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...nel.org>
To:     Mel Gorman <mgorman@...hsingularity.net>
Cc:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>,
        Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@...il.com>,
        Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, RCU <rcu@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-mm@...ck.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        "Theodore Y . Ts'o" <tytso@....edu>,
        Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>,
        Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@...utronix.de>,
        Oleksiy Avramchenko <oleksiy.avramchenko@...ymobile.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC-PATCH 2/4] mm: Add __rcu_alloc_page_lockless() func.

On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 11:03:34AM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 07:41:20AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 11:19:52AM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 11:58:58AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > > It's enabled by default by enough distros that adding too many checks
> > > > > is potentially painful. Granted it would be missed by most benchmarking
> > > > > which tend to control allocations from userspace but a lot of performance
> > > > > problems I see are the "death by a thousand cuts" variety.
> > > > 
> > > > Oh quite agreed, aka death by accounting. But if people are enabling
> > > > DEBUG options in production kernels, there's something wrong, no?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > You'd think but historically I believe DEBUG_VM was enabled for some
> > > distributions because it made certain classes of problems easier to debug
> > > early. There is also a recent trend for enabling various DEBUG options for
> > > "hardening" even when they protect very specific corner cases or are for
> > > intended for kernel development. I've pushed back where I have an opinion
> > > that matters but it's generally corrosive.
> > > 
> > > > Should we now go add CONFIG_REALLY_DEBUG_STAY_AWAY_ALREADY options?
> > > 
> > > It's heading in that direction :(
> > 
> > Given that you guys have just reiterated yet again that you are very
> > unhappy with either a GFP_ flag or a special function like the one that
> > Peter Zijlstra put together, it would be very helpful if you were to at
> > least voice some level of support for Thomas Gleixner's patchset, which,
> > if accepted, will allow me to solve at least 50% of the problem.
> 
> I read through the series and didn't find anything problematic that
> had not been covered already. Minimally, avoiding surprises about what
> preemptible() means in different contexts is nice. While I have not
> run it through a test grid to check, I'd be very surprised if this was
> problematic from a performance perspective on a preempt-disabled kernels.
> Last I checked, the difference between PREEMPT_NONE and PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY
> was less than 2% *at worst* and I don't think that was due to the preempt
> accounting.

Thank you, Mel!

							Thanx, Paul