linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH] kernel: allow to configure PREEMPT_NONE, PREEMPT

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Message-ID: <20201007130125.GI3165@suse.de>
Date:   Wed, 7 Oct 2020 14:01:25 +0100
From:   Mel Gorman <mgorman@...e.de>
To:     Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>
Cc:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbecker@...e.de>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] kernel: allow to configure PREEMPT_NONE,
 PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY on kernel command line

On Wed, Oct 07, 2020 at 02:29:23PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Wed 07-10-20 14:19:39, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 07, 2020 at 02:04:01PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>
> > > 
> > > Many people are still relying on pre built distribution kernels and so
> > > distributions have to provide mutliple kernel flavors to offer different
> > > preemption models. Most of them are providing PREEMPT_NONE for typical
> > > server deployments and PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY for desktop users.
> > 
> > Is there actually a benefit to NONE? We were recently talking about
> > removing it.
> 
> I believe Mel can provide much better insight. We have been historically using
> PREEMPT_NONE for our enterprise customers mostly for nice throughput
> numbers. Many users are really targeting throughput much more than
> latencies. My understanding is that even though VOLUNTARY preemption model
> doesn't add too many preemption points on top of NONE it is still
> something that is observable (IIRC 2-3% on hackbench).
>  

It's marginal from the tests I ran but that was based on 5.3. At worst,
it looked like roughly a hit but a lot of loads simply didn't notice.
However, it might vary between architectures that I cannot cover or
workloads that I didn't consider.  As the impact of PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY
depends on where cond_resched and might_sleep is used, it's also something
that can vary over time. The intent was that by having the command-line
switch, a user could test the switch if there was a suspicion that a
regression was related to PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY as opposed to telling them
"tough, that's the reality now".

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs