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Date:   Thu, 8 Oct 2020 17:00:57 +0100
From:   Nicola Mazzucato <nicola.mazzucato@....com>
To:     Ionela Voinescu <ionela.voinescu@....com>,
        Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@...aro.org>
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        vireshk@...nel.org, daniel.lezcano@...aro.org, rjw@...ysocki.net,
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        morten.rasmussen@....com, linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] [RFC] CPUFreq: Add support for
 cpu-perf-dependencies

Hi Viresh and Ionela,

@Viresh, I am sorry it's still not crystal clear, please find an example below.
@Ionela, thanks for adding more details.

On 10/8/20 4:03 PM, Ionela Voinescu wrote:
> Hi Viresh,
> 
> On Thursday 08 Oct 2020 at 16:32:41 (+0530), Viresh Kumar wrote:
>> On 07-10-20, 13:58, Nicola Mazzucato wrote:
>>> Hi Viresh,
>>>
>>> performance controls is what is exposed by the firmware through a protocol that
>>> is not capable of describing hardware (say SCMI). For example, the firmware can
>>> tell that the platform has N controls, but it can't say to which hardware they
>>> are "wired" to. This is done in dt, where, for example, we map these controls
>>> to cpus, gpus, etc.
>>>
>>> Let's focus on cpus.
>>>
>>> Normally we would have N of performance controls (what comes from f/w)
>>> that that correspond to hardware clock/dvfs domains.
>>>
>>> However, some firmware implementations might benefit from having finer
>>> grained information about the performance requirements (e.g.
>>> per-CPU) and therefore choose to present M performance controls to the
>>> OS. DT would be adjusted accordingly to "wire" these controls to cpus
>>> or set of cpus.
>>> In this scenario, the f/w will make aggregation decisions based on the
>>> requests it receives on these M controls.
>>>
>>> Here we would have M cpufreq policies which do not necessarily reflect the
>>> underlying clock domains, thus some s/w components will underperform
>>> (EAS and thermal, for example).
>>>
>>> A real example would be a platform in which the firmware describes the system
>>> having M per-cpu control, and the cpufreq subsystem will have M policies while
>>> in fact these cpus are "performance-dependent" each other (e.g. are in the same
>>> clock domain).
>>
>> If the CPUs are in the same clock domain, they must be part of the
>> same cpufreq policy.
> 
> But cpufreq does not currently support HW_ALL (I'm using the ACPI
> coordination type to describe the generic scenario of using hardware
> aggregation and coordination when establishing the clock rate of CPUs).
> 
> Adding support for HW_ALL* will involve either bypassing some
> assumptions around cpufreq policies or making core cpufreq changes.
> 
> In the way I see it, support for HW_ALL involves either:
> 
>  - (a) Creating per-cpu policies in order to allow each of the CPUs to
>    send their own frequency request to the hardware which will do
>    aggregation and clock rate decision at the level of the clock
>    domain. The PSD domains (ACPI) and the new DT binding will tell
>    which CPUs are actually in the same clock domain for whomever is
>    interested, despite those CPUs not being in the same policy.
>    This requires the extra mask that Nicola introduced.
> 
>  - (b) Making deep changes to cpufreq (core/governors/drivers) to allow:
>    - Governors to stop aggregating (usually max) the information
>      for each of the CPUs in the policy and convey to the core
>      information for each CPU.
>    - Cpufreq core to be able to receive and pass this information
>      down to the drivers.
>    - Drivers to be able to have some per cpu structures to hold
>      frequency control (let's say SCP fast channel addresses) for
>      each of the CPUs in the policy. Or have these structures in the
>      cpufreq core/policy, to avoid code duplication in drivers.
> 
> Therefore (a) is the least invasive but we'll be bypassing the rule
> above. But to make that rule stick we'll have to make invasive cpufreq
> changes (b).

Regarding the 'rule' above of one cpufreq policy per clock domain, I would like
to share my understanding on it. Perhaps it's a good opportunity to shed some light.

Looking back in the history of CPUFreq, related_cpus was originally designed
to hold the map of cpus within the same clock. Later on, the meaning of this
cpumask changed [1].
This led to the introduction of a new cpumask 'freqdomain_cpus'
within acpi-cpufreq to keep the knowledge of hardware clock domains for
sysfs consumers since related_cpus was not suitable anymore for this.
Further on, this cpumask was assigned to online+offline cpus within the same clk
domain when sw coordination is in use [2].

My interpretation is that there is no guarantee that related_cpus holds the
'real' hardware clock implementation. As a consequence, it is not true anymore
that cpus that are in the same clock domain will be part of the same
policy.

This guided me to think it would be better to have a cpumask which always holds
the real hw clock domains in the policy.

> 
> This is my current understanding and I'm leaning towards (a). What do
> you think?
> 
> *in not so many words, this is what these patches are trying to propose,
> while also making sure it's supported for both ACPI and DT.
> 
> BTW, thank you for your effort in making sense of this!
> 
> Regards,
> Ionela.
> 

This could be a platform where per-cpu and perf-dependencies will be used:

CPU:              0    1    2    3    4    5    6    7
Type:             A    A    A    A    B    B    B    B
Cluster:         [                                    ]
perf-controls:   [  ] [  ] [  ] [ ]  [ ]  [ ]  [ ]  [ ]
perf-dependency: [                ]  [                ]
HW clock:        [                ]  [                ]

The firmware will present 8 controls to the OS and each control is mapped to a
cpu device via the standard dt. This is done so we can achieve hw coordination.
What is required in these systems is to present to OS the information of which
cpus belong to which clock domain. In other words, when hw coordinates we don't
have any way at present in dt to understand how these cpus are dependent
each other, from performance perspective (as opposed to ACPI where we have
_PSD). Hence my proposal for the new cpu-perf-dependencies.
This is regardless whether we decide to go for either a policy per-cpu or a
policy per-domain.

Hope it helps.

Many thanks
Best regards,
Nicola

[1] 'commit f4fd3797848a ("acpi-cpufreq: Add new sysfs attribute freqdomain_cpus")'
[2] 'commit 951fc5f45836 ("cpufreq: Update Documentation for cpus and
related_cpus")'

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