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Date:   Fri, 9 Oct 2020 19:39:47 +0800
From:   yulei zhang <yulei.kernel@...il.com>
To:     Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@...cle.com>
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        Muchun Song <songmuchun@...edance.com>,
        Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@...cle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/35] Enhance memory utilization with DMEMFS

Joao, thanks a lot for the feedback. One more thing needs to mention
is that dmemfs also support fine-grained
memory management which makes it more flexible for tenants with
different requirements.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 3:01 AM Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@...cle.com> wrote:
>
> [adding a couple folks that directly or indirectly work on the subject]
>
> On 10/8/20 8:53 AM, yulei.kernel@...il.com wrote:
> > From: Yulei Zhang <yuleixzhang@...cent.com>
> >
> > In current system each physical memory page is assocaited with
> > a page structure which is used to track the usage of this page.
> > But due to the memory usage rapidly growing in cloud environment,
> > we find the resource consuming for page structure storage becomes
> > highly remarkable. So is it an expense that we could spare?
> >
> Happy to see another person working to solve the same problem!
>
> I am really glad to see more folks being interested in solving
> this problem and I hope we can join efforts?
>
> BTW, there is also a second benefit in removing struct page -
> which is carving out memory from the direct map.
>
> > This patchset introduces an idea about how to save the extra
> > memory through a new virtual filesystem -- dmemfs.
> >
> > Dmemfs (Direct Memory filesystem) is device memory or reserved
> > memory based filesystem. This kind of memory is special as it
> > is not managed by kernel and most important it is without 'struct page'.
> > Therefore we can leverage the extra memory from the host system
> > to support more tenants in our cloud service.
> >
> This is like a walk down the memory lane.
>
> About a year ago we followed the same exact idea/motivation to
> have memory outside of the direct map (and removing struct page overhead)
> and started with our own layer/thingie. However we realized that DAX
> is one the subsystems which already gives you direct access to memory
> for free (and is already upstream), plus a couple of things which we
> found more handy.
>
> So we sent an RFC a couple months ago:
>
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20200110190313.17144-1-joao.m.martins@oracle.com/
>
> Since then majority of the work has been in improving DAX[1].
> But now that is done I am going to follow up with the above patchset.
>
> [1]
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/159625229779.3040297.11363509688097221416.stgit@dwillia2-desk3.amr.corp.intel.com/
>
> (Give me a couple of days and I will send you the link to the latest
> patches on a git-tree - would love feedback!)
>
> The struct page removal for DAX would then be small, and ticks the
> same bells and whistles (MCE handling, reserving PAT memtypes, ptrace
> support) that we both do, with a smaller diffstat and it doesn't
> touch KVM (not at least fundamentally).
>
>         15 files changed, 401 insertions(+), 38 deletions(-)
>
> The things needed in core-mm is for handling PMD/PUD PAGE_SPECIAL much
> like we both do. Furthermore there wouldn't be a need for a new vm type,
> consuming an extra page bit (in addition to PAGE_SPECIAL) or new filesystem.
>
> [1]
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/159625229779.3040297.11363509688097221416.stgit@dwillia2-desk3.amr.corp.intel.com/
>
>
> > We uses a kernel boot parameter 'dmem=' to reserve the system
> > memory when the host system boots up, the details can be checked
> > in /Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt.
> >
> > Theoretically for each 4k physical page it can save 64 bytes if
> > we drop the 'struct page', so for guest memory with 320G it can
> > save about 5G physical memory totally.
> >
> Also worth mentioning that if you only care about 'struct page' cost, and not on the
> security boundary, there's also some work on hugetlbfs preallocation of hugepages into
> tricking vmemmap in reusing tail pages.
>
>   https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20200915125947.26204-1-songmuchun@bytedance.com/
>
> Going forward that could also make sense for device-dax to avoid so many
> struct pages allocated (which would require its transition to compound
> struct pages like hugetlbfs which we are looking at too). In addition an
> idea <handwaving> would be perhaps to have a stricter mode in DAX where
> we initialize/use the metadata ('struct page') but remove the underlaying
> PFNs (of the 'struct page') from the direct map having to bear the cost of
> mapping/unmapping on gup/pup.
>
>         Joao

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