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Date:   Fri, 16 Oct 2020 17:52:16 +0200
From:   Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@...gle.com>
To:     Kostya Serebryany <kcc@...gle.com>,
        Serban Constantinescu <serbanc@...gle.com>
Cc:     Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
        Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
        Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@....com>,
        Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@...gle.com>,
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        Andrey Ryabinin <aryabinin@...tuozzo.com>,
        Elena Petrova <lenaptr@...gle.com>,
        Branislav Rankov <Branislav.Rankov@....com>,
        Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@....com>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        kasan-dev <kasan-dev@...glegroups.com>,
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        Marco Elver <elver@...gle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/8] kasan: hardware tag-based mode for production use
 on arm64

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 4:41 PM Marco Elver <elver@...gle.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 at 22:44, Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@...gle.com> wrote:
> > This patchset is not complete (see particular TODOs in the last patch),
> > and I haven't performed any benchmarking yet, but I would like to start the
> > discussion now and hear people's opinions regarding the questions mentioned
> > below.
> >
> > === Overview
> >
> > This patchset adopts the existing hardware tag-based KASAN mode [1] for
> > use in production as a memory corruption mitigation. Hardware tag-based
> > KASAN relies on arm64 Memory Tagging Extension (MTE) [2] to perform memory
> > and pointer tagging. Please see [3] and [4] for detailed analysis of how
> > MTE helps to fight memory safety problems.
> >
> > The current plan is reuse CONFIG_KASAN_HW_TAGS for production, but add a
> > boot time switch, that allows to choose between a debugging mode, that
> > includes all KASAN features as they are, and a production mode, that only
> > includes the essentials like tag checking.
> >
> > It is essential that switching between these modes doesn't require
> > rebuilding the kernel with different configs, as this is required by the
> > Android GKI initiative [5].
> >
> > The last patch of this series adds a new boot time parameter called
> > kasan_mode, which can have the following values:
> >
> > - "kasan_mode=on" - only production features
> > - "kasan_mode=debug" - all debug features
> > - "kasan_mode=off" - no checks at all (not implemented yet)
> >
> > Currently outlined differences between "on" and "debug":
> >
> > - "on" doesn't keep track of alloc/free stacks, and therefore doesn't
> >   require the additional memory to store those
> > - "on" uses asyncronous tag checking (not implemented yet)
> >
> > === Questions
> >
> > The intention with this kind of a high level switch is to hide the
> > implementation details. Arguably, we could add multiple switches that allow
> > to separately control each KASAN or MTE feature, but I'm not sure there's
> > much value in that.
> >
> > Does this make sense? Any preference regarding the name of the parameter
> > and its values?
>
> KASAN itself used to be a debugging tool only. So introducing an "on"
> mode which no longer follows this convention may be confusing.
> Instead, maybe the following might be less confusing:
>
> "full" - current "debug", normal KASAN, all debugging help available.
> "opt" - current "on", optimized mode for production.
> "on" - automatic selection => chooses "full" if CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL,
> "opt" otherwise.
> "off" - as before.
>
> Also, if there is no other kernel boot parameter named "kasan" yet,
> maybe it could just be "kasan=..." ?
>
> > What should be the default when the parameter is not specified? I would
> > argue that it should be "debug" (for hardware that supports MTE, otherwise
> > "off"), as it's the implied default for all other KASAN modes.
>
> Perhaps we could make this dependent on CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL as above.
> I do not think that having the full/debug KASAN enabled on production
> kernels adds any value because for it to be useful requires somebody
> to actually look at the stacktraces; I think that choice should be
> made explicitly if it's a production kernel. My guess is that we'll
> save explaining performance differences and resulting headaches for
> ourselves and others that way.
>
> > Should we somehow control whether to panic the kernel on a tag fault?
> > Another boot time parameter perhaps?
>
> It already respects panic_on_warn, correct?
>
> > Any ideas as to how properly estimate the slowdown? As there's no
> > MTE-enabled hardware yet, the only way to test these patches is use an
> > emulator (like QEMU). The delay that is added by the emulator (for setting
> > and checking the tags) is different from the hardware delay, and this skews
> > the results.
> >
> > A question to KASAN maintainers: what would be the best way to support the
> > "off" mode? I see two potential approaches: add a check into each kasan
> > callback (easier to implement, but we still call kasan callbacks, even
> > though they immediately return), or add inline header wrappers that do the
> > same.
> [...]

CC Kostya and Serban.

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