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Date:   Fri, 20 Nov 2020 17:39:50 -0500
From:   Waiman Long <>
To:     Peter Zijlstra <>,
        Davidlohr Bueso <>
Cc:     Ingo Molnar <>, Will Deacon <>,, Phil Auld <>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 5/5] locking/rwsem: Remove reader optimistic spinning

On 11/20/20 9:44 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 09:35:56PM -0800, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2020, Waiman Long wrote:
>>> The column "CS Load" represents the number of pause instructions issued
>>> in the locking critical section. A CS load of 1 is extremely short and
>>> is not likey in real situations. A load of 20 (moderate) and 100 (long)
>>> are more realistic.
>>> It can be seen that the previous patches in this series have reduced
>>> performance in general except in highly contended cases with moderate
>>> or long critical sections that performance improves a bit. This change
>>> is mostly caused by the "Prevent potential lock starvation" patch that
>>> reduce reader optimistic spinning and hence reduce reader fragmentation.
>>> The patch that further limit reader optimistic spinning doesn't seem to
>>> have too much impact on overall performance as shown in the benchmark
>>> data.
>>> The patch that disables reader optimistic spinning shows reduced
>>> performance at lightly loaded cases, but comparable or slightly better
>>> performance on with heavier contention.
>> I'm not overly worried about the lightly loaded cases here as the users
>> (mostly thinking mmap_sem) most likely won't care for real workloads,
>> not, ie: will-it-scale type things.
>> So at SUSE we also ran into this very same problem with reader optimistic
>> spinning and considering the fragmentation went with disabling it, much
>> like this patch - but without the reader optimistic lock stealing bits
>> you have. So far nothing has really shown to fall out in our performance
>> automation. And per your data a single reader spinner does not seem to be
>> worth the added complexity of keeping reader spinning vs ripping it out.
> I'm fine with ripping it... It was finnicky to begin with.
Good to know. I am going to sent out v2 with some update commit logs and 


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