linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v5 00/21] Free some vmemmap pages of hugetlb page

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Date:   Mon, 23 Nov 2020 13:52:13 -0800
From:   Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@...cle.com>
To:     Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/21] Free some vmemmap pages of hugetlb page

On 11/22/20 11:38 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Fri 20-11-20 09:45:12, Mike Kravetz wrote:
>> On 11/20/20 1:43 AM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> [...]
>>>>> To keep things easy, maybe simply never allow to free these hugetlb pages
>>>>> again for now? If they were reserved during boot and the vmemmap condensed,
>>>>> then just let them stick around for all eternity.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure I understand. Do you propose to only free those vmemmap pages
>>>> when the pool is initialized during boot time and never allow to free
>>>> them up? That would certainly make it safer and maybe even simpler wrt
>>>> implementation.
>>>
>>> Exactly, let's keep it simple for now. I guess most use cases of this (virtualization, databases, ...) will allocate hugepages during boot and never free them.
>>
>> Not sure if I agree with that last statement.  Database and virtualization
>> use cases from my employer allocate allocate hugetlb pages after boot.  It
>> is shortly after boot, but still not from boot/kernel command line.
> 
> Is there any strong reason for that?
> 

The reason I have been given is that it is preferable to have SW compute
the number of needed huge pages after boot based on total memory, rather
than have a sysadmin calculate the number and add a boot parameter.

>> Somewhat related, but not exactly addressing this issue ...
>>
>> One idea discussed in a previous patch set was to disable PMD/huge page
>> mapping of vmemmap if this feature was enabled.  This would eliminate a bunch
>> of the complex code doing page table manipulation.  It does not address
>> the issue of struct page pages going away which is being discussed here,
>> but it could be a way to simply the first version of this code.  If this
>> is going to be an 'opt in' feature as previously suggested, then eliminating
>> the  PMD/huge page vmemmap mapping may be acceptable.  My guess is that
>> sysadmins would only 'opt in' if they expect most of system memory to be used
>> by hugetlb pages.  We certainly have database and virtualization use cases
>> where this is true.
> 
> Would this simplify the code considerably? I mean, the vmemmap page
> tables will need to be updated anyway. So that code has to stay. PMD
> entry split shouldn't be the most complex part of that operation.  On
> the other hand dropping large pages for all vmemmaps will likely have a
> performance.

I agree with your points.  This was just one way in which the patch set
could be simplified.
-- 
Mike Kravetz