Message-ID: <87o8jeh6fq.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org>
Date:   Mon, 30 Nov 2020 15:37:45 -0600
From:   ebiederm@...ssion.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To:     Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...nel.org>
Cc:     Geoff Levand <geoff@...radead.org>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
        Michael Ellerman <mpe@...erman.id.au>,
        Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/24] exec: Simplify unshare_files

Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...nel.org> writes:

> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 2:16 AM Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@...ssion.com> wrote:
>> > On 11/24/20 12:14 PM, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> >
>> > There are still PS3-Linux users out there.  They use 'Homebrew' firmware
>> > released through 'Hacker' forums that allow them to run Linux on
>> > non-supported systems.  They are generally hobbies who don't post to
>> > Linux kernel mailing lists.  I get direct inquiries regularly asking
>> > about how to update to a recent kernel.  One of the things that attract
>> > them to the PS3 is the Cell processor and either using or programming
>> > the SPUs.
>> >
>> > It is difficult to judge how much use the SPU core dump support gets,
>> > but if it is not a cause of major problems I feel we should consider
>> > keeping it.
>>
>> I just took a quick look to get a sense how much tool support there is.
>>
>> In the gdb tree I found this 2019 commit abf516c6931a ("Remove Cell
>> Broadband Engine debugging support").  Which basically removes the code
>> in gdb that made sense of the spu coredumps.
>
> Ah, I had not realized this was gone already. The code in gdb for
> seamlessly debugging programs across CPU and SPU was clearly
> more complex than the kernel portion for the coredump, so it makes
> sense this was removed eventually.
>
>> I would not say the coredump support is a source major problems, but it
>> is a challenge to understand.  One of the pieces of code in there that
>> is necessary to make the coredump support work reliable, a call to
>> unshare_files, Oleg whole essentially maintains the ptrace and coredump
>> support did not know why it was there, and it was not at all obvious
>> when I looked at the code.
>>
>> So we are certainly in maintainers loosing hours of time figuring out
>> what is going on and spending time fixing fuzzer bugs related to the
>> code.
>
> I also spent some amount of time on this code earlier this year Christoph
> did some refactoring, and we could both have used that time better.
>
>> At the minimum I will add a few more comments so people reading the code
>> can realize why it is there.   Perhaps putting the relevant code behind
>> a Kconfig so it is only built into the kernel when spufs is present.
>>
>> I think we are at a point we we can start planning on removing the
>> coredump support.  The tools to read it are going away.  None of what is
>> there is bad, but it is definitely a special case, and it definitely has
>> a maintenance cost.
>
> How about adding a comment in the coredump code so it can get
> removed the next time someone comes across it during refactoring,
> or when they find a bug that can't easily be worked around?

Did my proposed patch look ok?

> That way there is still a chance of using it where needed, but
> hopefully it won't waste anyone's time when it gets in the way.

Sounds good to me.

> If there are no objections, I can also send a patch to remove
> CONFIG_PPC_CELL_NATIVE, PPC_IBM_CELL_BLADE and
> everything that depends on those symbols, leaving only the
> bits needed by ps3 in the arch/powerpc/platforms/cell directory.

That also seems reasonable.  My read of the history suggests that
code has been out of commission for a decade or so, and not having it to
trip over (just present in the history) seems very reasonable.

Eric

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