linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2 2/4] mm: introduce cma_alloc

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Message-ID: <X8fU1ddmsSfuV6sD@google.com>
Date:   Wed, 2 Dec 2020 09:54:29 -0800
From:   Minchan Kim <minchan@...nel.org>
To:     Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>
Cc:     David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/4] mm: introduce cma_alloc_bulk API

On Wed, Dec 02, 2020 at 05:48:34PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Wed 02-12-20 08:15:49, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 02, 2020 at 04:49:15PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> [...]
> > > Well, what I can see is that this new interface is an antipatern to our
> > > allocation routines. We tend to control allocations by gfp mask yet you
> > > are introducing a bool parameter to make something faster... What that
> > > really means is rather arbitrary. Would it make more sense to teach
> > > cma_alloc resp. alloc_contig_range to recognize GFP_NOWAIT, GFP_NORETRY resp.
> > > GFP_RETRY_MAYFAIL instead?
> > 
> > If we use cma_alloc, that interface requires "allocate one big memory
> > chunk". IOW, return value is just struct page and expected that the page
> > is a big contiguos memory. That means it couldn't have a hole in the
> > range.
> > However the idea here, what we asked is much smaller chunk rather
> > than a big contiguous memory so we could skip some of pages if they are
> > randomly pinned(long-term/short-term whatever) and search other pages
> > in the CMA area to avoid long stall. Thus, it couldn't work with exising
> > cma_alloc API with simple gfp_mak.
> 
> I really do not see that as something really alient to the cma_alloc
> interface. All you should care about, really, is what size of the object
> you want and how hard the system should try. If you have a problem with
> an internal implementation of CMA and how it chooses a range and deal
> with pinned pages then it should be addressed inside the CMA allocator.
> I suspect that you are effectivelly trying to workaround those problems
> by a side implementation with a slightly different API. Or maybe I still
> do not follow the actual problem.
>  
> > > I am not deeply familiar with the cma allocator so sorry for a
> > > potentially stupid question. Why does a bulk interface performs better
> > > than repeated calls to cma_alloc? Is this because a failure would help
> > > to move on to the next pfn range while a repeated call would have to
> > > deal with the same range?
> > 
> > Yub, true with other overheads(e.g., migration retrial, waiting writeback
> > PCP/LRU draining IPI)
> 
> Why cannot this be implemented in the cma_alloc layer? I mean you can
> cache failed cases and optimize the proper pfn range search.

So do you suggest this?

enum cma_alloc_mode {
	CMA_ALLOC_NORMAL,
	CMA_ALLOC_FAIL_FAST,
};

struct page *cma_alloc(struct cma *cma, size_t count, unsigned int
	align, enum cma_alloc_mode mode);

>From now on, cma_alloc will keep last failed pfn and then start to
search from the next pfn for both CMA_ALLOC_NORMAL and
CMA_ALLOC_FAIL_FAST if requested size from the cached pfn is okay
within CMA area and then wraparound it couldn't find right pages
from the cached pfn. Othewise, the cached pfn will reset to the zero
so that it starts the search from the 0. I like the idea since it's
general improvement, I think.

Furthemore, With CMA_ALLOC_FAIL_FAST, it could avoid several overheads
at the cost of sacrificing allocation success ratio like GFP_NORETRY.

I think that would solve the issue with making the API more flexible.
Before diving into it, I'd like to confirm we are on same page.
Please correct me if I misunderstood.

David, any objection?